Whats so special about VTEC engines???

[Section_8]

brahtw8 - brilliant post, you said 2 mouthfuls, both good to read!

Those dang little Acura TL's are little zoom zoom boxes.. Dunno how it is in the twisties, but it's got enough juice (260hp) to make a 330i work, and possibly get worked over..

What you want, is sometimes different from what you buy(can afford), and what you want, may not always be what you need. Basically if you have ever heard of the brand name, and it's been around 10 years or more, you can count that brand name (badge) to have a large market. It may not be YOU, but I don't see any antelopes or giraffes buying honda's or toyota's or mercury's or ford's or what have you. (Definately no Antelope's in the BMW's please!)

To each their own, enjoy your (our) high priced sports sedans, but don't feel like you gotta beat down the guy next to ya trying to make a living, that may have a eastern car all tricked out.. Everyone wants to feel good about what they have, and have nice things. So what if he wants to put a wing on it that could be used to reach a 2nd story window, that's his wind resistance, not yours..

 

[brahtw8]

brahtw8 - brilliant post, you said 2 mouthfuls, both good to read!

Thanks for the compliment. I don't know how brilliant it was, but I appreciate the feedback.

Someday I may choke on all that false modesty.

 

[PhatBimmer]

I dunno like I said b4 I'm a European car guy "To each their own, enjoy your (our) high priced sports sedans" and that makes perfect sense to me. Oh and BTW I drove my friends Acura Integra 92, .... I dunno.

Just everyone enjoy there cars and have fun .

 

[Average Jae]

brahtw8: i haven't gone suv shopping in a while, so i'm not sure about the japanese suvs being made in the states, but it does make sense, since high selling, car-based suvs already have their car counterparts being made in the states. but king of all asian suvs, LX 470 is still 90%+ made in japan right? think i'll take my nice expensive foreign ride made back in the mother land, rather than over here in the states..

 

[VtecTurbo]

wow wow wow! u beamer boys have got it all rong! first of all ur comparing torque and bhp of an average vtec engine against 1 of beamers top of the range m3 engine, secondly i aint ever gona believe dat anythin from 325i onwards is gona beat a 1.6vti, u wana know wots special about honda's vtec engine, has bmw manufactured a 1.6 dat produces 160BHP....nope i dnt think so, has bmw manufactured a 1.8 dat produces 200BHP...nope i dnt think so, who holds da most bhp for a four cylinder n/a its the honda s2000, one of u sed dat nuttin can replace displacement...so how do u explain a 1.8 vtec turbo'd beating a 10sec viper which is 8litre, whether the vtec engine is turbo'd is not the case coz we talkin about displacement, so wot exactly happened to da displacement on da viper lolz
no offense boys beamers r kool but dnt dis honda's vtec engines

 

[Kirby]

wow wow wow! u beamer boys have got it all rong! first of all ur comparing torque and bhp of an average vtec engine against 1 of beamers top of the range m3 engine, secondly i aint ever gona believe dat anythin from 325i onwards is gona beat a 1.6vti, u wana know wots special about honda's vtec engine, has bmw manufactured a 1.6 dat produces 160BHP....nope i dnt think so, has bmw manufactured a 1.8 dat produces 200BHP...nope i dnt think so, who holds da most bhp for a four cylinder n/a its the honda s2000, one of u sed dat nuttin can replace displacement...so how do u explain a 1.8 vtec turbo'd beating a 10sec viper which is 8litre, whether the vtec engine is turbo'd is not the case coz we talkin about displacement, so wot exactly happened to da displacement on da viper lolz
no offense boys beamers r kool but dnt dis honda's vtec engines

Yes, there is a beemer engine that outperforms your example of 1.6l 160 bhp. BMW has a 1.2l that produces 153 hp, normally aspirated.

How about if you provide some verifiable evidence that Honda has a stock 1.8l turbo that outperforms a Viper.

 

[VtecTurbo]

im sure dat 1.2 is not a road car??? i gave dat 1.8 vtec turbo vs viper example jus to prove dat displacement isnt everythin, if honda vtec engines were nuttin special den why have they bcome so wanted in america and other parts of the world, plus der are so many tuning parts available for the vtec engines n/a and turbo, supercharge etc, its quoted in so many magazines dat vtec engines r solid as nails and i can prove dat coz after even having detonation 4times! ive done no damage to my engine jus need a set of spark plugs! how many engines can hack detonation n especially 4 times!!!

 

[VtecTurbo]

did u know dat a 1.8 vtec engine has seen to produce 850BHP!!! its true, ive seen it on a honda forum, da video is awesome, 1.6vtec engines producing 400bhp all da long! ders so many things unique about vtec engines for e.g da rev range for e.g spon civic type r revving to 16000rpm redline, da unique noise, da reliabilty, performance, etc. u must have heard of the sayin if u cant beat them.... join dem, well luk how many manufacturers r copyin its design, obvioiusly dey aint copyin coz its a crap design, do u know da fastest honda vtec does 1/4 mile in 7.6 or sumwhere round dat time, well if dats not amazing den i dnt know wot is, hey im jus new on ere but do u know any1 on ere who has turbo'd an m3??? i wud like to see wot they r capable of, dat wud b an ideal car if i was to get a bmw, but nah i think its HONDA VTEC ALL DA WAY! lolz

 

[codex57]

Ack! I think I understood what was written, but since it was barely English, I'm not sure.

There are turbocharged BMWs, but most are supercharged. BMWs aren't mustangs. They're complete cars that consider handling as important, if not more so, than outright acceleration. I dunno of anyone who's seriously tried to find the utmost maximum horsepower cuz you don't buy a BMW for drag racing. Defeats the whole purpose. You don't see Porsche owners doing it, Ferrari owners, Lambo owners, etc.

 

[VtecTurbo]

sorry codex im jus so used to using internet chat language lol, hmmm yea i knowi get ur point, but the reason why was comparing power is because at the start of this topic they were comparing power so i decided i wud put my opinion across, not dissing BMW, coz i respect dem for the power they produce out of dem m3 engines, did u know that the honda civic 1.6 vti vtec and the bmw m3 produce more horsepower to the litre dan a mclaren f1!!! now dats 2 manufacturers dat deserve respect dnt u think, yea i know ferrari and lambo etc dnt go all out drag but drag power is everythin rite??? if u dnt buy a ferrari or lambo for performance den ur a complete liar lol no1 can say dey dnt, hey did u know dat dey putting honda vtec engines in da new mini's and modify dem, dey running 1/4 miles in under 12 sec which is awesome!!!

 

[epj3]

Hahahahahahahaha, this last page really made me laugh.

 

[PhatBimmer]

lol me 2 gotta love that internet chat language [bmwkick]

 

[brahtw8]

A couple of interesting points to add to the discussion:

"The BMW four-cylinders - on either type of fuel - are civilized beyond belief: Only Honda can beat BMW for petrol power with ultimate manners."

Later in the same article:

"For the same money as a basic 116i of 115 bhp - even in the pricey UK - I can buy a sizzling 197 bhp Honda Civic R of legendary pace and quality. BMW will need to up its cash-versus-performance game considerably if they want to compete, and so I can see that a six-cylinder M2 on a 1 Series base will be necessary when the next-generation M3 goes for V8 power."

Jeremy Walton "A new 2002? Not This 1"

Roundel, August 2004, page 44.

If you have Jeremy Walton, who is as much of a BMW fan as is humanly possible, (if you don't know who he is, perhaps you are not the BMW fan you thought) making such a statement, in the BMW CCA official magazine, it is difficult not to acknowledge the engineering skill of Honda.

As for the statement the 1.6l vtec (B16?) and S54 (E46 M3) produce more horsepower than the S70/2 engine in the Mclaren F1, that is correct and not surprising. It is much easier to make smaller engines with a high specific output. As they get larger in size, it gets much more difficult to make them as efficient. You can't simply double the size of the 1.6 liter vtec. Honda itself would not be able to equal the specific output of their 1.6 in a 3.2 (assuming all things being equal, not comparing production engines to race engines).

Another random point on VTEC v. VANOS. I often hear BMW folks mention how VANOS is better because it is infinitely variable. While it is true that VANOS is infinitely variable, it has a much more limited range of variation. Traditional VTEC will only switch to two separate cam profiles, but they are much farther apart.

By way of example, lets say VANOS varies the cam profiles from 3 to 5 and everything in between. VTEC, on the other hand, goes from 1 and then switches to 7. This is why the VTEC transition is much more abrubt than VANOS (VANOS dip anyone?) and part of the reason why the VTEC motors have much less low end torque (cam profile 1) and much more high end power (cam profile 7).

As for the whole econo-dragster situation, it is certainly true you can build a civic or other econobox to be faster in a straight line than a supercar, and you could probably set up the suspension to do well on a race track. Nevertheless, a 12 second Civic dragster is not really comparable to a supercar, which is a total automobile, and any comparison between the two is strained at best. In other words, if you own a Gallardo and got stomped by a 1500 pound turbo Civic, don't worry about it. If Lamborghini wanted to build 1500 pound hatchback bracket racers I am sure they would build a fine one indeed . . .

 

[VtecTurbo]

i agree with u brahtw8, atleast u see where im coming from, if they are sayin that the honda vtec is no good because it only comes in at high rpm then that isnt exactly bad because when a normal engine stops producing power after 6000rpm the vtec is still going strong producing even more power, ok lets say the vtec is no good because it only works in high rpm, u can always get an ecu which alters thew vtec engagement poitn and the fuel and air ratio which can bring the vtec in at 4000/4500rpm and if it is matched up with a good set of profiled cams it will b strong from there to your rev limit which after adding cams, springs and retainer with an ecu can take you to 10000rpm which is alot of fun

 

[codex57]

sorry codex im jus so used to using internet chat language lol, hmmm yea i knowi get ur point, but the reason why was comparing power is because at the start of this topic they were comparing power so i decided i wud put my opinion across, not dissing BMW, coz i respect dem for the power they produce out of dem m3 engines, did u know that the honda civic 1.6 vti vtec and the bmw m3 produce more horsepower to the litre dan a mclaren f1!!! now dats 2 manufacturers dat deserve respect dnt u think, yea i know ferrari and lambo etc dnt go all out drag but drag power is everythin rite??? if u dnt buy a ferrari or lambo for performance den ur a complete liar lol no1 can say dey dnt, hey did u know dat dey putting honda vtec engines in da new mini's and modify dem, dey running 1/4 miles in under 12 sec which is awesome!!!

Honda deserves respect. I'm a Honda fan. Came from a Civic. It's still in the garage, just passed down. But having owned the two, they are completely different cars. It's like a Clysdale and an Andolousian. Both are horses but totally different. Both great horses, but completely different.

Oh, and brahtw8 isn't a Honda hater in case you're wondering. If he is, then he's the oddest NSX owner I know.

 

[brahtw8]

Oh, and brahtw8 isn't a Honda hater in case you're wondering. If he is, then he's the oddest NSX owner I know.

I may well be the oddest NSX owner you know . . . [driving2]

Right now my biggest problem is trying to figure out how to fix or replace one of my leaking front rims, the out-of-production, uber expensive Racing Hart Tracers:

Until I do, or give up and get a new set of rims, the NSX is rolling on borrowed wheels/tires:

 

[VtecTurbo]

lolzzz i know brahtw8 is a honda fan, and it good to know u got some backup! lolz

 

[VtecTurbo]

hey guys what you got to remember is when u race on a straight its better if u have top end power because when u change gears you end up in high revs, basically u stay in the power band that way, this is what is good with a vtec, when u change gears u remain in vtec and basically you dont have to wait to get back in to the power band

 

[PhatBimmer]

 

[VtecTurbo]

are you trying to hint something??? i think u should just come clean and say what you want