Whats so special about VTEC engines???
- Thread starter PhatBimmer
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I dont see why everyone sees me as a Asian car hater. Like I said I just don't like Honda but that is totally me. Now as for ricers...(clears throat) that is one of the biggest reasons I don't like Honda's, its like people who believe all show and no go is the best shit around. In any case I don't mean to insult anybody [|)].
I only made this topic to find out about the VTEC engine and thanks to everyones LINKS and replies I've been able to learn more than before![[thumb]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_thumb.gif "Thumbs Up [thumb]")
so thanks alot, now I can carry my argument ![[:D]](/images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin [:D]")
Thanks again everyone and enjoy your rides![[:)]](/images/smilies/smile.png "Smile [:)]")
I only made this topic to find out about the VTEC engine and thanks to everyones LINKS and replies I've been able to learn more than before
so thanks alot, now I can carry my argument Thanks again everyone and enjoy your rides
OK guys, when we all calm down, the answer is pretty simple. What is so special about VTEC motors? That's like asking what's so specail about fuel injection? Honda was one of the first to deliver variable valve timing in mass produced cars. BMW's variable valve timing is arguably better, but Honda's isn't bad - better than no VTEC. I had (stolen 5 weeks ago) a honda without VTEC and believe me, it sucked compared to my no-Vanos BMW. I drove a 325 double Vanos, and it probably would have beat my no-vanos 328.
PhatBimmer said:
I dunno thats a good point but still I can't get myself to like a HONDA/ACURA car. ![[:p]](/images/smilies/tongue.png "Stick Out Tongue [:p]")
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Drive any of the new breed, i.e. TL, TSX, S2K or NSX (not new breed, but still worth it), and then tell me you can't get yourself to like Honda/Acura. Even the old cars are a great value. Ever been in or driven a 2nd Gen. Legend? Hell of a car, and very cheap now.
After Rukus made a great post, it looks like there still is a little confusion : Vanos just changes the cam timing, double vanos changes both exhaust cam and intake cam timing. VTEC, changes cam timing, lift and duration -- they encorporate completely extra set of cam lobes which are engaged when more power is desired -- its like having an extra aftermarket performance cam built in. Forgive the simplicity, but just wanted to differenciate between Vanos and Vtec.
"I would recommend taking a few test drives. I haven't seen anything to suggest your opinions are based on anything more than anti-ricer sentiment. Believe me, there is a lot more to Honda than ricers.
Drive any of the new breed, i.e. TL, TSX, S2K or NSX (not new breed, but still worth it), and then tell me you can't get yourself to like Honda/Acura. Even the old cars are a great value. Ever been in or driven a 2nd Gen. Legend? Hell of a car, and very cheap now"
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I dunno, I will take that test drive though. For sure you can really belive that the RICER ideal has led me to disliking Asian cars (not the women). But I will take your tip, but still like I've said before I just dislike the people who have made Asian cars look so bad ![[:o]](/images/smilies/redface.png "Embarrassment [:o]")
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Oh and about the rotary thing...I actually have nothing against the rotary engine at all, can't think of 1 thing...wonderfull little engine and the RX-8 was probably the only Asian car when it came out that I actually wouldn't mind driving for a day but thats me.
I'm a EUROPEAN car kind of guy I dunno....ROFL but much respects for those "TRUE" Asian car enthusiasts who aren't ricers
Hope that clears some things up about my dislike towards Asian cars.
I'll try to take pics of the kids rides in my school that will probably even make the Asian car likers feel like pucking from the bad taste these kids have and what they do to there rides, then you may see my point of view [fake]![[rofl]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_rofl.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Drive any of the new breed, i.e. TL, TSX, S2K or NSX (not new breed, but still worth it), and then tell me you can't get yourself to like Honda/Acura. Even the old cars are a great value. Ever been in or driven a 2nd Gen. Legend? Hell of a car, and very cheap now"
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I dunno, I will take that test drive though. For sure you can really belive that the RICER ideal has led me to disliking Asian cars (not the women
). But I will take your tip, but still like I've said before I just dislike the people who have made Asian cars look so bad .============================
Oh and about the rotary thing...I actually have nothing against the rotary engine at all, can't think of 1 thing...wonderfull little engine and the RX-8 was probably the only Asian car when it came out that I actually wouldn't mind driving for a day
but thats me. I'm a EUROPEAN car kind of guy I dunno....ROFL but much respects for those "TRUE" Asian car enthusiasts who aren't ricers
Hope that clears some things up about my dislike towards Asian cars.
I'll try to take pics of the kids rides in my school that will probably even make the Asian car likers feel like pucking from the bad taste these kids have and what they do to there rides, then you may see my point of view [fake]
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PhatBimmer said:
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Every engine has its pros and cons. The rotary engine is a great motor, but it has its flaws; it consumes more fuel than the typical 4-stroke and it is harder to meet US emissions regulations.
As for the TSX and RSX, people say they pack gutless motors, but this is not true. As with other Japanese motors, maximum torque is produced at the higher rpm's. Now this isn't a bad setup, but is really mainly beneficial on a racetrack...for daily driving at lower rpm's, the car will feel slow and that is what turns people off. But they are great when you get into those high rpm's !!!
As for the TSX and RSX, people say they pack gutless motors, but this is not true. As with other Japanese motors, maximum torque is produced at the higher rpm's. Now this isn't a bad setup, but is really mainly beneficial on a racetrack...for daily driving at lower rpm's, the car will feel slow and that is what turns people off. But they are great when you get into those high rpm's !!!
since most of you are "experts" i'll just veer off topic here. cept for a second vote for VTEC's "special deal" having to do w/ the fact that they were the first to implement two different cam profiles (one normal, and other the VTEC range, the distinct VTEC roar at the cam profile change was sooo cool when i first heard it.) now every car manufac and their mom has a variable profile, so it's not the biggest deal anymore right? ![[;)]](/images/smilies/wink.png "Wink [;)]")
The origin of Acura, Lexus and Infiniti is well-documented and not a secret or an opinion. Back in the mid-1980s, the perception of Japanese manufacturers was much like the current perception of Korean manufacturers. The belief was they could only make cheap transportation. This idea still exists today, and is exemplified in comments like "its only a Honda" and the like. The idea of paying $25k or more for a Honda was 'foreign' to American buyers. Honda created Acura to appeal to the US market. After its success, Toyota and Nissan followed suit.
Luxury branding is not only an issue for Japanese manufacturers. MB just brought back Maybach as its ultra-luxury brand because it didn't think MB had enough cachet for the $300k car market. Up until only recently, the only thing that separated a Cadillac from a Pontiac from a Buick from an Oldsmobile from a Chevrolet was the badge. Same with Ford/Lincoln/Mercury. We created badge engineering in this country when we decided you could sell 5 versions of the same car with different trim.
BTW, many japanese SUVs are now made in the US, particularly Hondas and Toyotas. Ask somebody from Ohio. The tariffs apply to anything without a sufficient % of domestic content. The irony is that many of the 'foreign' cars are now more American than the US cars, which are now built in Mexico following the decimation of the industrial base of the Midwest. Flint, Michigan anyone?
Luxury branding is not only an issue for Japanese manufacturers. MB just brought back Maybach as its ultra-luxury brand because it didn't think MB had enough cachet for the $300k car market. Up until only recently, the only thing that separated a Cadillac from a Pontiac from a Buick from an Oldsmobile from a Chevrolet was the badge. Same with Ford/Lincoln/Mercury. We created badge engineering in this country when we decided you could sell 5 versions of the same car with different trim.
BTW, many japanese SUVs are now made in the US, particularly Hondas and Toyotas. Ask somebody from Ohio. The tariffs apply to anything without a sufficient % of domestic content. The irony is that many of the 'foreign' cars are now more American than the US cars, which are now built in Mexico following the decimation of the industrial base of the Midwest. Flint, Michigan anyone?