(((honda Vtec Vs Bmw)))
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You'll be surprised at what you hear on Mercedes forums. There are some real arrogant fools on those boards. They have some normal ones that appreciate cars from any manufacturer as long as it really is good, but those are in the minority it seems. Most are diehard Mercedes fans and can't see anything beyond the 3 point star. Its like they've never owned another brand before or something.
I'm really European car biased, I'll admit I hate Asian cars and I've said it countless of times. The only Asian cars I would ever drive are the Mitsubishi Evo 8 and the Subaru WRX (which ever model is their top one), I have a thing for those cars for some reason which I have no idea. I hate it when people constantly poke though to find out why you do, different tastes, I never try to change others tastes and I'm very ![[offtopic]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_offtopic.gif "Off Topic [offtopic]")
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[target]Ok, let me give you all my 2 cents
Hondas in general are a different class. Off the line just about all of them will not handle like a bmw, and for some reason their back wheels don’t work.
You can measure a QM if that’s your flavor but it hardly says anything about how "good" a car its or engine. It just shows you have a lot of HP. But on a track if you have 7000 hp and you cant turn a corner it doesn’t mean shit. There is such a thing as "too much HP" as much as we would like to not believe it.
Second, you can make any car fast... If you like rice that’s fine with me everyone has their own opinion on what a "good car" is. I do give Honda props for being able to get some good numbers out of very small engines. And I am sure there are fun Hondas and whatnot to drive (NSX and so forth)
Measuring cars ability is how you’re going to do it. In a straight line Honda may win.. but on a track? A bimmer is probably going to out handle it any day. You can pour money into a Honda to make it better but straight up stock cars a RWD will take a FWD.
Car and Driver JUST DID a comparison on why RWD is kicking FWDs ass, heeling, and everything, there was something like a 220hp RWD car had faster QM times than a 300HP FWD, (don’t quote me on those #s but it was for sure the RWD had much less HP) And then you can get into the specs of how they are built.
It’s just like an argument me and my buddy get in all the time about mustangs. I think they SUCK BALLS, now I'm not saying that my car is faster or anything but I’m saying you have a mustang. It looks like crap, and it’s the pure image that you get a mustang and you a "insta-badass" They are for the most part fast I will give them that, but you still have a mustang.
No matter how much money you pour into a Honda,... you still have a shitty FWD Honda...
If you take a pig and put makeup, blush, a new dress and shoes on it.. you still have a pig.
(Don’t even get me started on why I think Hondas and mustangs are horrible cars in general)
Also, when you come in here talking like an internet newbie it just makes you look stupid as hell. That kind of shit just doesn’t fly on this board. If you want people to take you seriously learn to type and spell check if it’s important
Hondas in general are a different class. Off the line just about all of them will not handle like a bmw, and for some reason their back wheels don’t work.
You can measure a QM if that’s your flavor but it hardly says anything about how "good" a car its or engine. It just shows you have a lot of HP. But on a track if you have 7000 hp and you cant turn a corner it doesn’t mean shit. There is such a thing as "too much HP" as much as we would like to not believe it.
Second, you can make any car fast... If you like rice that’s fine with me everyone has their own opinion on what a "good car" is. I do give Honda props for being able to get some good numbers out of very small engines. And I am sure there are fun Hondas and whatnot to drive (NSX and so forth)
Measuring cars ability is how you’re going to do it. In a straight line Honda may win.. but on a track? A bimmer is probably going to out handle it any day. You can pour money into a Honda to make it better but straight up stock cars a RWD will take a FWD.
Car and Driver JUST DID a comparison on why RWD is kicking FWDs ass, heeling, and everything, there was something like a 220hp RWD car had faster QM times than a 300HP FWD, (don’t quote me on those #s but it was for sure the RWD had much less HP) And then you can get into the specs of how they are built.
It’s just like an argument me and my buddy get in all the time about mustangs. I think they SUCK BALLS, now I'm not saying that my car is faster or anything but I’m saying you have a mustang. It looks like crap, and it’s the pure image that you get a mustang and you a "insta-badass" They are for the most part fast I will give them that, but you still have a mustang.
No matter how much money you pour into a Honda,... you still have a shitty FWD Honda...
If you take a pig and put makeup, blush, a new dress and shoes on it.. you still have a pig.
(Don’t even get me started on why I think Hondas and mustangs are horrible cars in general)
Also, when you come in here talking like an internet newbie it just makes you look stupid as hell. That kind of shit just doesn’t fly on this board. If you want people to take you seriously learn to type and spell check if it’s important
equate, in your first post you were talking about that pig thing, well I got something that is like that but in cars. Don't know if anyone watched that top gear episode but they took a LADA (Russian piece of shit car) that cost somewhere close to 200 pounds for a 6 year old one and they turned it over ot Lotus, after one hundred thousand pounds and don't even remember how many hours of work, they made it a decent car but it is still a LADA and you can't do anything about it. For 100000 pounds you can buy a car that is so much better al together. I guess everyone has a way of doing things but if you really look at it, when Hondas are taken and transformed into something like they are transformed into, well, thats basically just going against the whole idea, like you said they are great commuter cars (lets say a bottom line Civic for example) and well, when someone does what people do to hondas you just have to respect the amount of work that went into it, maybe it was for a pointless reason to you, the work was still done.
Yes, your right if you look at it like that. I guess I didnt make it clear, lets see in that other rice post I mentioned that I do like some hondas. Some of the work is just amazing, and if you want to tinker and put 100k into a honda im not stopping you and I think it would be intersting. But What i was trying to say is that you know a good amount of ricers just have stock cars with wal-mart pipes and a crappy cone filter and think they are fast.
Yes, if you spend time on anything transforming it, even if I dont like the outcome I always admire the amount of work that went into it making whatever it was into what it is now (confusing? im having trouble saying this)
Yes, if you spend time on anything transforming it, even if I dont like the outcome I always admire the amount of work that went into it making whatever it was into what it is now (confusing? im having trouble saying this)
Also I would like to add about the pig thing. It still holds true, im not saying if you put a ton of money into its going to be slow (or even ugly for that matter) its STILL a honda and you cant change it. Im not saying it wont be cool. But we can all safly say that mostly the ricer mentality is go fast and go cheap.
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tom u sure a 3.2 honda vtec would lose to a bmw 3.2, that would b like a honda nsx losing to an m3, im not sure if i agree with you? but if that your opinion then thats kool 
Otherwise, the M3 at 3.2 liter putting out 333hp is your winner there like he said. I might argue the 2.4 honda vs 2.5 bmw more than the latter..
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I've not seen 1/4 stats for a NSX (pick your year I guess?) vs a E46 M3, but how much HP is a NSX putting down anyhow?
In any case, it's 2 different types of cars again: NSX is a street race car and a M3 is a GT car. Built for 2 totally different things.
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This post is getting a little out of hand but i thought i'd have some input...
I completely agree with what epj3 said. BMWs are not necessarily about off-the-mark acceleration, rather they offer serious mid-range and top-end power that really aids in such things as overtaking. I think BMWs are possibly the best example of high speed performance (and, lets not forget, handling) in the 'real' world of driving. My 318is is not exactly quick off the mark but give me 3rd gear at 80kmh and it will embarass a lot of bigger-engined cars. BMWs reward good driving through choice of gears, engine revs, and driver input. And a BMW six-cylinder will beat anything for flexibility, top-end fizz, sound, and smoothness with all these elements in combination.
I completely agree with what epj3 said. BMWs are not necessarily about off-the-mark acceleration, rather they offer serious mid-range and top-end power that really aids in such things as overtaking. I think BMWs are possibly the best example of high speed performance (and, lets not forget, handling) in the 'real' world of driving. My 318is is not exactly quick off the mark but give me 3rd gear at 80kmh and it will embarass a lot of bigger-engined cars. BMWs reward good driving through choice of gears, engine revs, and driver input. And a BMW six-cylinder will beat anything for flexibility, top-end fizz, sound, and smoothness with all these elements in combination.