2003 BMW 330i vs 2002 Ford Mustang GT

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MrElussive said:
Okay dude I think we've had enough. Nobody cares about your age and driving, but we do care that your car is autotragic....nothing goes into driving if you just have to mash the accelerator.

I don't relate my 500 to your car. But I do relate the E36 M3 having a 0-60 time of 5.4 seconds and your ML55 having a 0-60 time of 6.4 seconds, and you saying that you out-accelerate them...are these cars you race actually there, or do you just step on the gas when the light turns green and imagine the cars driving beside you?

I go to NYC every week-end and I rarely get any racing action (and I only respond once in a blue moon). There is a very big difference between really racing and just messing around with traffic lights....most NYC drivers just like to play around. I think you just take it all too seriously because there is just no justification to out-run the cars that you say you've "killed."
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I told you where I race, its rarely done in NYC, if I do go out for a little fun, its usually way out in Long Island. If you read a few topics on Mercedes 0-60 times, they are HIGHLY underestimated. The best example of that is the E55, look at its stock 0-60 times/ 1/4 times from people that have done it on the track, and then compare them to MBZ times. Another great example is the G55 Kompressor, Listed for 5.5 second sprint to 60, when it has been proven MULTIPLE times that this car KILLS M3's by a rather large margin, there is a few videos of this floating around.
Mercedes test their cars under a full passenger load and a full baggage load resulting in the 0-60 times. Lets say passengers weight 170lbs on the low scale, and you have 100lbs of bagge, you have 4 passengers, thats 680lbs + 200 cargo, and you have 780lbs of extra baggage that the car has to pull around which makes a huge difference. Why does mercedes do this? So that when a person does load up their MBZ to the brink, they get the expected acceleration times as the manufactures lists.

I have plenty justification Emile, I dont need to prove anything, I race to have fun, when I do it, Its done from a red light off to a perfect empty straight, or from a slow roll from 3 honks onto empty highway. [wiggle]

Bahnstormer had a ML55, ask him how it ran.
 
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Wadula said:
DUDE: When he challenges you again and he has a girl next to him, just roll down the window lean outside, give him a little smile and say:

"I know my penis is bigger than yours, there is really no need to compare them" after that give a nice smile to the girl in his car and roll up the window again.
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haha, i like this. definately mention something about the fact that drag racing is for 16year olds just cause it will really piss him off (even though i raced a wrx yesterday) and maybe mention to his girl that its pretty pathetic that he needs to challenge you to a race daily just to cover up for what he lacks in the shorts.
 
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Militant-Grunt said:
I told you where I race, its rarely done in NYC, if I do go out for a little fun, its usually way out in Long Island. If you read a few topics on Mercedes 0-60 times, they are HIGHLY underestimated. The best example of that is the E55, look at its stock 0-60 times/ 1/4 times from people that have done it on the track, and then compare them to MBZ times. Another great example is the G55 Kompressor, Listed for 5.5 second sprint to 60, when it has been proven MULTIPLE times that this car KILLS M3's by a rather large margin, there is a few videos of this floating around.
Mercedes test their cars under a full passenger load and a full baggage load resulting in the 0-60 times. Lets say passengers weight 170lbs on the low scale, and you have 100lbs of bagge, you have 4 passengers, thats 680lbs + 200 cargo, and you have 780lbs of extra baggage that the car has to pull around which makes a huge difference. Why does mercedes do this? So that when a person does load up their MBZ to the brink, they get the expected acceleration times as the manufactures lists.

I have plenty justification Emile, I dont need to prove anything, I race to have fun, when I do it, Its done from a red light off to a perfect empty straight, or from a slow roll from 3 honks onto empty highway. [wiggle]

Bahnstormer had a ML55, ask him how it ran.
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Nah, that's not true about the 0-60 times at all. You and everyone else on MBWorld.org just need a reality check and realize that you're all driving auto-tranny luxury vehicles (some with an AMG tag and a big engine), and nothing even close to a real sports car. If you don't need to prove anything, why do you go around on forums listing all the cars you claim you've beaten?
 
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Nah, that's not true about the 0-60 times at all. You and everyone else on MBWorld.org just need a reality check and realize that you're all driving auto-tranny luxury vehicles (some with an AMG tag and a big engine), and nothing even close to a real sports car. If you don't need to prove anything, why do you go around on forums listing all the cars you claim you've beaten?
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I dont go around spreading claims, it came up IN A RACE THREAD WICH WOULD BE THIS ONE. If I did go around doing that, id have a whole list of cars just in my sig, but I dont. I am not an advocate for Mercedes OR Amg. I own an AMG vechicle, an I am proud of what it can do. I still much rather has something with a 6spd or 5spd and a M badge on the back. Like we talked online a few weeks back, I very well know that the ML is NOT a sports car, but it doesnt change the fact that I CAN pull up next to a sports car and whip its ass. In this case, I am trying to make a point that my 2 ton lumbering truck, can 'kill' a mustang GT. May it be due to a poor drive, I have done it twice using tiptronic mode and not "D". [hatchet]

Stop busting my balls Emile, you constantly doubt what I say, or what I have done, I asked you before for a drag betwn the ML and G to show you what 2 tons of truck can do [rolleyes] .
 
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Hey nice to see you Gary....


As far as the new mustang goes, that sob is fast......

My cousin came to visit me in his 2005 Mustang GT and he had sooo much more power than I did. My M3 was powerless compared to the Mustang, off the line and up to 100, after 100 the M would start to pull away, at 120 mph he really couldn't keep up with me. You see his governer would kick in somewhere around those speeds and my m was like the Energizer Bunny........
 
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Hey nice to see you Gary....


As far as the new mustang goes, that sob is fast......

My cousin came to visit me in his 2005 Mustang GT and he had sooo much more power than I did. My M3 was powerless compared to the Mustang, off the line and up to 100, after 100 the M would start to pull away, at 120 mph he really couldn't keep up with me. You see his governer would kick in somewhere around those speeds and my m was like the Energizer Bunny........
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Yea thats pretty much how it goes, american cars aren't really geared for higher speed driving (except for the 'vette of course! That thing is pretty nuts, 60 mph in first gear...)
 
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i was in the same situation back in november this kid with a 03 gt wanted to race me for weeks and one night i just got tierd of his b/s so i took him to some sweet twisties and my z3 smoked him .... he scraped his rims on the curb...the fact is that american engeneering is mainly focused in drags....but if you put some nice lil turns thier ass is all over the place...specially if its an unexperienced drive like someone in HS....BMWs are just more forgiving than fords
now its up to you ...if you feel confident enoght to do it...you can consider it....plus if he's askin for the race its only because he feels threaten frm you...
good luck whatever you do
 
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on the amg front, ML55's are fast, but not THAT fast. Other AMGs are faster and i would believe if an E or CL(K ) is beating an M3 but the ML is stretching it i think. Modified ones on the other hand are very. VERY fast.

As for the race this thread started with, I wish you good luck, but just be careful. Sometimes just a slight bit of overenthusiasm can result in complete catastrophe, i would suggest you drive your selected route a few times (not fast but just get a feel of the road you are gonna be racing on) just to have an idea of what the road is like. This is not so much as practise for the race, rather, a way to familiarize yourself such that you dont get yourself killed. I would also suggest you allow the stang driver to drive the road a few times as well, its for his own safety. Once you understand the course, you are the better judge of how fast you need to go. I dont mean to sound like a nanny or anything, its just that high school kids enthusiasm results in some pretty horrible newspaper stories.

on another note, why dont YOU challenge him in the M5 instead ROFL. Straightline or cornering haha. ahh.
 
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on the amg front, ML55's are fast, but not THAT fast. Other AMGs are faster and i would believe if an E or CL(K ) is beating an M3 but the ML is stretching it i think. Modified ones on the other hand are very. VERY fast.

As for the race this thread started with, I wish you good luck, but just be careful. Sometimes just a slight bit of overenthusiasm can result in complete catastrophe, i would suggest you drive your selected route a few times (not fast but just get a feel of the road you are gonna be racing on) just to have an idea of what the road is like. This is not so much as practise for the race, rather, a way to familiarize yourself such that you dont get yourself killed. I would also suggest you allow the stang driver to drive the road a few times as well, its for his own safety. Once you understand the course, you are the better judge of how fast you need to go. I dont mean to sound like a nanny or anything, its just that high school kids enthusiasm results in some pretty horrible newspaper stories.

on another note, why dont YOU challenge him in the M5 instead ROFL. Straightline or cornering haha. ahh.
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CLK's and C's are pretty even with (e46) M3's till 60, after that its pretty much over for the M, while E36 M3s are much slower. E's are a whole different game, Lambo gallardo killers. 1/4 in hi 11's low 12s.

You're saying that it is impossible for me to beat a 3250 lb e36 m3, with 240hp/ 236 Ft-Lbs that has a power to Weight Ratio of, 13.5 LB / HP with my 5000lbs ML55 with 342hp/ 375Ft-Lbs that has a power to weight ratio of 14.6. Lb/ HP

The number speak the reality.

As for the roads, If you're going race on city roads, you should know them like that back of your hand, knowing what to watch out for, knowing the texture of the road, so on and so forth..

I rarely race in unfamiliar ground, if I do, its on highway and not street.
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I agree with mclaren, show up in the M. [rofl] Just press "power", or the "M" button and see him cower.
 
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I'm thinking that even if you do have a better P/W ratio, it would be easier for a manual M3 to stay within its powerband rather than an auto ML55. This is why i think (and i dont profess to myself to be a numbers junkie, in all honesty i have no clue what the figures are when it comes to power, weight, acceleration and all of ML55's and E36 M3's) you were able to beat those people in the M3's because they didnt keep their cars in the powerband when dragging vs you! Although I really have no idea to be honest heh, I have seen AMG's pull away from me at staggering rates, and myself I am a Mercedes man (but can't afford the ones i want so will stick with BMW's till then heh) who is addicted to AMG power!
 
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