2006 Corvette ZO6
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It wouldnt surprise me if the NEW bmw's (5, 6, and 7 series) raise that number by quite a bit.... When you design a car to be comfy and kind of like a house on the inside (Idrive and that other BS), it looses the "car factor". I already know I won't ever be buying a new bmw in the next 20 years, becuase the direction they are going, it makes my parents car's problems seem insignificant.
Thank god I like the BMW's that were still good cars [read].
BTW You ever think about getting a 318i for your AutoX car? I assume your daughter still drives it as a daily driver?? You can get a supercharger kit for the 318i M44 engine which puts out about 200 hp and a little over 200lb-ft of torue, but the engine is lighter and its weight is behind the wheels...much better balance.
Thank god I like the BMW's that were still good cars [read].
BTW You ever think about getting a 318i for your AutoX car? I assume your daughter still drives it as a daily driver?? You can get a supercharger kit for the 318i M44 engine which puts out about 200 hp and a little over 200lb-ft of torue, but the engine is lighter and its weight is behind the wheels...much better balance.
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but remember, GM, overall, sells many, MANY more cars than BMW
jrt67ss350: Nobody said BMWs dont have problems. Its their reputation that holds them strong. GM has more driveability problems than almost any other car on the road. And the same problem that shows up in an early model of a car, more times than none, will show up in the same model after 5 or 6 years of production. AND, the same problem will show up on other models. Its a matter of learning from your mistakes. BMW has DEFINATLY shown this. This is part of a letter from BMW NA regarding the M3 recalls:
When GM has a major problem similar to this (ie: valve train falling apart on 5.3L V-8), their response is, if it is under warranty, we'll fix it, otherwise, **** you, and $2000 later, your truck is fixed.
I'm not finding the good in buying a GM. unless you enjoy a good ass pounding every now and then
jrt67ss350: Nobody said BMWs dont have problems. Its their reputation that holds them strong. GM has more driveability problems than almost any other car on the road. And the same problem that shows up in an early model of a car, more times than none, will show up in the same model after 5 or 6 years of production. AND, the same problem will show up on other models. Its a matter of learning from your mistakes. BMW has DEFINATLY shown this. This is part of a letter from BMW NA regarding the M3 recalls:
When GM has a major problem similar to this (ie: valve train falling apart on 5.3L V-8), their response is, if it is under warranty, we'll fix it, otherwise, **** you, and $2000 later, your truck is fixed.
I'm not finding the good in buying a GM. unless you enjoy a good ass pounding every now and then
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I would bet you 1 million dollars my E30 was better built than the new models. They have MANY more problems now than they used to, and the older models simply were built better. BMW started going down hill in actual quality starting in 1992 with the E36. E30's dont have the rear subframe ripping out of the sheet metal ![[screwy]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_screwy.gif "Screwy [screwy]")
But I will agree that GM doesnt stand behind their product when something goes bad becuase of a faulty design. 2 weeks out of warranty and 40,000 some miles. Remember - the rod bearing problem wasn't necessarily bmw's fault - it was manufacturered out of spec from the company they contracted to manufacture them, so really its NOT a design flaw - its a manufacturing flaw. The gaskets that went bad on my parents minivan was a design flaw, not a manufacturing flaw.
$3500 - 4000 total in major engine repairs....my parents know this!
But I will agree that GM doesnt stand behind their product when something goes bad becuase of a faulty design. 2 weeks out of warranty and 40,000 some miles. Remember - the rod bearing problem wasn't necessarily bmw's fault - it was manufacturered out of spec from the company they contracted to manufacture them, so really its NOT a design flaw - its a manufacturing flaw. The gaskets that went bad on my parents minivan was a design flaw, not a manufacturing flaw.
$3500 - 4000 total in major engine repairs....my parents know this!
Intake gasket #1: 39,000 miles
Headgasket: 42,000 miles
Intake gasket #2 got replaced with the headgasket - we took the car to the dealer, they took the intake off to check what was wrong, and when putting it back on they stripped and broke part of the intake manifold - admitted to it but said they weren't responsible for it. They had the nerve to charge us $280 for just looking at it. We fought and GM said we abused the car. My mom asked the dealer why "her sons 170,000 mile BMW is still on its original head gasket" but hers went at 40,000 miles - and they told her becuase she drove the car too hard. Hahahaha, I redlined my car every second I felt like, and she was always SUPER easy on the car. Total bullshit http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/
By the way, our airbag light has been on since day 1. Got it "fixed" 4 or 5 times under warranty, but its on again after a year of being off, so we're talking to insurance to see if we're allowed to remove the system or turn it off. Probably hurt a lot less
(from http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/96026.htm)
The ABS doesn't always work either, and my dad's 99 grand prix does the same thing. We've gotten the sensors checked on both cars, and they are fine. Whatever, I have her looking at subaru's and audi's for her next car.
Thats the reason I dislike GM.
Headgasket: 42,000 miles
Intake gasket #2 got replaced with the headgasket - we took the car to the dealer, they took the intake off to check what was wrong, and when putting it back on they stripped and broke part of the intake manifold - admitted to it but said they weren't responsible for it. They had the nerve to charge us $280 for just looking at it. We fought and GM said we abused the car. My mom asked the dealer why "her sons 170,000 mile BMW is still on its original head gasket" but hers went at 40,000 miles - and they told her becuase she drove the car too hard. Hahahaha, I redlined my car every second I felt like, and she was always SUPER easy on the car. Total bullshit http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/
By the way, our airbag light has been on since day 1. Got it "fixed" 4 or 5 times under warranty, but its on again after a year of being off, so we're talking to insurance to see if we're allowed to remove the system or turn it off. Probably hurt a lot less
(from http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/96026.htm)
The ABS doesn't always work either, and my dad's 99 grand prix does the same thing. We've gotten the sensors checked on both cars, and they are fine. Whatever, I have her looking at subaru's and audi's for her next car.
Thats the reason I dislike GM.
what does your mom drive? either a 3100 or 3400 im assuming. everyone of them since 1985 (including the 2.8L) needs either head or intake gaskets anywhere between 40k and 70k miles. the newer small block V-8s (1998+) needs intake gasket around 60k or so. the gasket on both of them is a laugh, hahaha. its a peice of molded plastic with rubber/silicone inserts and the crappy GM coolant (DexCool) eats the shit out of them. you could probably get away with not changing them until 90k or so if you change the coolant when you are supposed to.
epj3 said:
You are totally correct. It's a 1999 pontiac Montana. Again - its not like it was driven hard ![[bash]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_bash.gif "Bash [bash]")
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It definitely is a joke... again, its all about cutting costs (and aparently profit in parts and labor??).
BTW This is for justin -- i'm not GM bashing, just tellin why I don't personally want a GM.
It definitely is a joke... again, its all about cutting costs (and aparently profit in parts and labor??).BTW This is for justin -- i'm not GM bashing, just tellin why I don't personally want a GM.
jrt67ss350 said:
bmw046series - you need to get your crap straight on the Corvette before you start quoting figures to support your feeble position - you are just plain wrong about the Corvette's hp/tq figures. Yeah, 325 hp/330 tq in the 645ci may be "serious muscle," but it isn't anywhere close to the 400 hp/400 tq that's in the standard Corvette. And don't give me the old "BMW horsepower is better than everyone else's horsepower" line - that's a bunch of crap. Not to mention that the standard Corvette weighs 3179 lbs vs. the 645's 3781 lbs. 75 less horsepower and 70 less lb-ft pulling along 602 more lbs in the 645ci vs. the standard Corvette. Don't even try to compare the performance because you can't. Oh, and one other thing - the base 645ci costs $70,595 vs. the Corvette's base price of $44,510. Don't even begin to compare the new Z06 to the 645. At 515lbs/500 tq pulling only 2910 lbs, the Z06 is going to kick the ever-living crap out of any BMW out there. Plain and simple.
You people drive me crazy. Heaven forbid another company besides BMW should build a sweet performing car - and GASP, that company happens to be American. When I read this thread, I see a bunch of people who are insecure that they have a car that costs as much as a Corvette but only has a fraction of it's performance. Just enjoy your car for what it is - don't try to make it better than another vehicle simply because you think BMW can do no wrong. Otherwise, just keep on wearing those BMW blinders and worshipping the iDrive BMW God - BMW loves you for it.
After all, anything else is just a POS.![[rolleyes]](/images/smilies/rolleyes.png "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) [rolleyes]")
You people drive me crazy. Heaven forbid another company besides BMW should build a sweet performing car - and GASP, that company happens to be American. When I read this thread, I see a bunch of people who are insecure that they have a car that costs as much as a Corvette but only has a fraction of it's performance. Just enjoy your car for what it is - don't try to make it better than another vehicle simply because you think BMW can do no wrong. Otherwise, just keep on wearing those BMW blinders and worshipping the iDrive BMW God - BMW loves you for it.
After all, anything else is just a POS.
Well said!
I have to unfortunately, totally agree with you - I don't think even the new M5/M6's could hang with the Z06 straightline, and certainly not the twisties. (M5/6 power in an M3 frame, then we might have a race to really watch) The 'Vette simply is the best bang for the buck, and if you do go the extra leg and get into the LS or Z series - yes you *can* beat an M in even the twisties.. (I groan to say it..) All aftermarket stuff aside of course, because as we all *should* know, anything can be tweaked/modded to be better than something else. Money makes everything faster..
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That said, I'd not own a Vette until I had all the BMW's I wanted. But, that'd be my first, 2nd car for sure!
Dunno why everyone hates on the vette, it's an admired car with a racing history as long (if not longer in wins) than BMW.
That's coming from a BMW freak!! [driving2]