2006 Corvette ZO6

BMW-FW26 · Dec 10, 2004

The E63 M6 is where its all at. Thats the Z06 killer.

bmw046series · Dec 10, 2004

We have to keep in mind how heavy the 6er really is it's wide, long, has wide flares on every wheel, it's an Executive Sport Coupe. The Vette serves a different purpose.

BMW has always been great with getting the power out of the engine to the rubber and onto the pavement. That's why the two are so close.

The new M6 is going to be the fastest BMW they've made to date, 550 hp V-10! I have my order in.

HornyHornet · Dec 10, 2004

The new C6 is rated to 400hp not 350hp. That is the outgoing C5. Yes, BMW does put more power to the wheels than GM but too make up 175hp (ZO6) sure will take a lot. We will see how the new M6 will serve up. 550hp would be nice. How heavy will it be. The C6 ZO6 weighs less than the M3.

Default · Dec 10, 2004

I want one, if I had a lot of money I'd buy an E46 M3 and one of those for when I'm pissed off. I wouldn't feel bad beating the crap out of the Corvette.

epj3 · Dec 10, 2004

BMW's never going to make a car that competes directly with the Vette. They never have and never will. The vette is a sports car - bmw makes sport luxury cars - the m3 isn't a sports car by classification - it's a sports coupe.

epj3 · Dec 10, 2004

Don't get me wrong, I dont like the car. Its got high numbers but I think its ugly, and excessive. 7 liters for ONLY 515 hp?!?!?!

jrt67ss350 · Dec 10, 2004

Wow, just when I thought the anti-GM rhetoric on this board couldn't get any worse. GM comes out with a truly awesome performing car, and people start suggesting that the 645 can outperform it? Give me a freakin break.

bmw046series - you need to get your crap straight on the Corvette before you start quoting figures to support your feeble position - you are just plain wrong about the Corvette's hp/tq figures. Yeah, 325 hp/330 tq in the 645ci may be "serious muscle," but it isn't anywhere close to the 400 hp/400 tq that's in the standard Corvette. And don't give me the old "BMW horsepower is better than everyone else's horsepower" line - that's a bunch of crap. Not to mention that the standard Corvette weighs 3179 lbs vs. the 645's 3781 lbs. 75 less horsepower and 70 less lb-ft pulling along 602 more lbs in the 645ci vs. the standard Corvette. Don't even try to compare the performance because you can't. Oh, and one other thing - the base 645ci costs $70,595 vs. the Corvette's base price of $44,510. Don't even begin to compare the new Z06 to the 645. At 515lbs/500 tq pulling only 2910 lbs, the Z06 is going to kick the ever-living crap out of any BMW out there. Plain and simple.

BMW-FW26, wow, let's make a claim that can't even be backed up since a production E63 M6 doesn't even exist yet, and BMW hasn't even formally acknowledged that one is in the works. If you have reliable figures about this car to share, then by all means don't hold back. Until then, well...

bmw046series, I've only ever heard that it's going to be the same engine that's in the new M5 = 507 hp. Again, please share the sources of these mythical figures (and no, I don't credit the know-nothing dealers as a reliable source) that you guys are spouting off as fact on a car that hasn't even been formally acknowledged by BMW.

Well, heaven forbid any company should build a car differently than BMW does. Let me never buy another GM car because the handbrake is on the "wrong side" of the console. I didn't know there were rules about such things. I'd better hurry up and sell my 1967 Camaro, because it doesn't even have a "handbrake." Its parking brake is a foot pedal under the dash. After all, it's different from a BMW, so it must be a piece of crap.

I'm not saying the Corvette is the end-all be-all of cars. By no means. Yes, I appreciate the Corvette. Yes, I appreciate the M3. They are different types of cars, and I would personally love to own one of each. I can't stand the whole "anything other than a BMW is a POS" type of mentality. Because, I gotta tell ya - BMW isn't "all that." BMW quality is not something to brag about as of late. BMW design/styling is becoming questionable at best. BMWs are quickly becoming very "Americanized" cushy, disconnected vehicles that no longer focus on the driving experience. Not to mention, BMW is falling behind in the horsepower war. Wake up, people.

You people drive me crazy. Heaven forbid another company besides BMW should build a sweet performing car - and GASP, that company happens to be American. When I read this thread, I see a bunch of people who are insecure that they have a car that costs as much as a Corvette but only has a fraction of it's performance. Just enjoy your car for what it is - don't try to make it better than another vehicle simply because you think BMW can do no wrong. Otherwise, just keep on wearing those BMW blinders and worshipping the iDrive BMW God - BMW loves you for it.

After all, anything else is just a POS. [rolleyes]

Default · Dec 10, 2004

epj3 said:

This is true, although the Corvette is the only American car I'd ever buy, if you give 7 liters to a German engineer they'll make wonders out of it. There is no doubt in my mind that this Z06 can kill any stock BMW that is out now or will be produced in the near future, but that's not the point. The Z06/Corvette is still a piece of shit, that's one thing you can't argue, but holy hell does it fly. The last ones had not-so-great quality, a horrible interior, an engine design from 30 years ago (the C6 does too), but these things can be overlooked when you consider what you’re getting for $55k. The sole purpose of the Corvette/Z06 is to go disgustingly fast with for very little money, and it does that very well. Hopefully we'll see how these new Corvettes hold out, maybe their reliability will be better than their predecessors and we won’t be watching them self-destruct on every gumball rally that comes along.

gpoints · Dec 10, 2004

Chesty Bonds said:

The substitution is power to weight ratio...
Now, who wins?

gpoints · Dec 10, 2004

epj3 said:

This reminds me of when you said something like RPM is what engine performance is based upon.

Power to litre is a worthless argument. It's all about power/weight. My M is @ 3K +lbs. This vette is 515hp and < 3K lbs. [?|]

Think about it...

jrt67ss350 · Dec 10, 2004

Default said:

I don't even know why I am bothering to take my time to argue a pro-GM position anymore on this discussion board, but if you want to get technical, then the engine in the C6 actually has roots that are 49 years old, not 30. However, if you live in reality (I assume that most of us do, but maybe I am wrong on that), the current engine design that is in the C6 dates all the way back to 1997 (wow, that's really distant, isn't it?). Yes, it has pushrods. However, is it the same engine that was installed in the 1955 Chevy? Not even remotely close. Bottom line is that there are few engines that have ever been built that are more reliable than the small block Chevy. Gee, I seem to recall that the famed, exalted, and "pinnacle of performance" E46 M3 engine has had serious problems in its lifespan - first "contaminated oil pumps?!?!?!" then thousands upon thousands upon thousands of them need to have their bottom ends rebuilt with new connecting rod bearings?!?!?!?!?. Sounds to me like the M3 qualifies as being called a royal piece of shit if we follow your standards, because Chevy certainly has never had problems of that magnitude with the LS1, LS2, or 405 hp LS6. If Chevy had recalled thousands of Corvettes because they basically had to have their engines rebuilt, you people would be having a hay-day with that. But, I guess we can overlook the MAJORLY SERIOUS problems with the E46 M3 engine because it is a BMW and because they give you a free tank of gas after they rebuild the engine for you.

By the way, if BMW can work wonders with 7 liters, then why don't they do it and blow every car manufacturer away?

Chesty Bonds · Dec 10, 2004

gpoints said:

Actually, that's not what I was referring to. I was just making comment about the fact that it took them 7.0 litres to get that much power, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not a GM hater. I'm just saying what's true. I never mentioned power to weight but yes, you're right, the power to weight ratio of this 'Vette is exceptional. No arguments there. [thumb]

Chesty Bonds · Dec 10, 2004

jrt67ss350 said:

Unfortunately you are so right jrt. BMWs cars are becoming more and more detached.

epj3 · Dec 11, 2004

gpoints said:

Hmm, funny how you remember me posting that , but I don't. I was really drunk lastnight, so maybe I did it then - but I'm typically not very good at typing after drinking.

There's no way in hell I ever said that, or else I'd be stating that honda has the best performance of any road going car. I do remember saying that pushrod engines don't rev high, and that if they were OHC/DOHC they would rev higher and get more power - which is true.

epj3 · Dec 11, 2004

By the way, bmw got 614 hp out of a 6 liter V12. Yup better performer than an LS*, but so?

I would think an LS2 is less maintainence, not to mention CHEAPER to buy than the bmw motor in the mclaren f1 [rofl]

Plus have anyone ever seen what a tuned LS1 or LS2 is capable of? Besides sounding great in its own way, you could sneeze $2k into the motor and have an easy 600+ hp.

Anyone want to take a guess as to WHAT CAR JIM CONFORTI just purchased? His wife drive the M3. He now owns a C6. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

BTW Anyone with an e36 m3, http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282882&highlight=GTO

thats the LS1 (less torque than LS2) GTO... again, *sneeze* a few grand on it an you got a 600hp monster.

I would take an M3 over a vette or gto... but thats just becuase its more of "my kind of car". My dad likes pontaics, I'm pushing him to look at CPO GTO's in a few years.

epj3 · Dec 11, 2004

bmw046series said:

You realize your 6 is a heavy ass car? The vette also had 400 horses. Looks like you don't know what you're talking about, yet you're still saying its this or that [nono]

Average Jae · Dec 11, 2004

epj3 said:

eric, even while posting that, i figure'd somone will chime in to correct me. [:p]

edit: nm, actually i didn't bother to do the research on the other numbers, just the 3.6 60 time posted by tom.. but oh well. thanks for pointing it out. anyway, wasn't there a thread on something like this sometime back w/ leaf springs being thrown around?

i figure if i have to buy a GM car, vette would be on the top of a very short list. good ole American muscle would be fun to take on the weekends, but i wonder if i'll sink in all the money to get it given the choice. also, i really wonder where the older ones go. i rarely see the C5s on the road now. its like after the leases are up, they get shipped south or something.

Chesty Bonds · Dec 11, 2004

epj3 said:

Actually, pushrod engines can rev quite high. Our Holden HSV Clubsport has the Gen IV LS2 6.0 litre Chevy small block V8, which redlines at a not so insignificant 6,500rpm. 87% of maximum torque is produced from just 1,600rpm which gives the big V8 5,000rpm of badass performance. This is a big rev range in a big displacement, pushrod engine. It revs harder than the twin-turbo flat-six in Porsche's 911 Turbo S.

HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) reckons that instead of being viewed as old technology, the pushrod design represents solid engineering that's had the benefit of 50 years of development. Sounds pretty convincing to me, given the stats I just posted...

I'd still have an E34 M5 though [hihi]

jrt67ss350 · Dec 11, 2004

Chesty Bonds said:

This is what I've been trying to say for a long time now, but no one on this board listens.

Kirby · Dec 11, 2004

BMW-FW26 said:

Then you are saying that BMW is also a POS.

Look at this JD Powers survey on Initial Quality:

BMW = 116 problems per 100 vehicles
GM = 120 problems per 100 vehicles

This is statistically an INSIGNIFICANT difference, for all purposes they are equal.

Guess what? It's VERY LIKELY that since the Covette is a specialty vehicle, it's probable that the build quality is significantly BETTER than the GM 120 average and BMW's 116 average.

Justin's got all the bases covered here. I agree with him 100%, especially on the GM 350 block vs. the M3's on going recall issues recently.

GM is slowly changing and evolving, with the C6 and the Cadillac divisions as proof. As a current GM owner and having owned 4 GM vehicles in the past 20 years, I can see the difference.

If you don't believe it you are looking at the world through Roundel lensed glasses.

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2004037

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