Pontiac is selling more Aztecs than GTOs!!!!

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I just read an article in the newspaper about Pontiac's sales. It said that since the GTO started shipping, sales are only HALF of what Pontiac predicted, and they are actually selling more Aztecs than GTOs. Hahahhahaa!

As usual, another GM marketing dept. failure. The car probably would have sold better if they hadn't used the GTO badge. This car is nothing like the old GTO and everyone knows it.
 
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Have you guys seen any commercials for it? I know I haven't.
Now that you mention it, I can't recall ANY GTO commercials... huh.. interesting!

The new GTO is more like the old one that you think - the old one was a plain 'ol family car that they souped up and re-badged. And that's exactly what the new one is as well. Granted they don't look anything alike, but the concepts are the same.
 
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I thought they stopped making Aztecs a long time ago? Anyways, talking about sales, have you guys heard that the X3 sales in Europe are through the roof? They're so high in fact, that BMW has had to increase production by 30%. Call it what you want, that thing is obviously here to stay. I don't really think it looks bad at all, especially when you see it with body-colored bumpers instead of those ugly black ones.
 
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I think I remember a commercial? The car slides into the drive in a 180 and backs into the garage. I think it was the GTO?

The GTO does nothing for me. I agree with the review that says: “[f]orgettable styling, numerous standard features make it an expensive proposition.” (Edmunds.com) I have not seen one up close in person but the style doesn’t fit the image/profile they are trying to build IMO.

Isn’t it the same structure as the Grand Am? It’s like having power with no structural stability unless they beefed up the structure. I know the Grand Am and Grand Prix are very weak structured vehicles.
 
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I thought the GTO was going to be a really sweet car. But last week, I was in traffic on my way to school (summer classes suck) and I was behind this American car with temporary plates -- brand new. I didn't pay attention to it much but then like a minute later I realized it was a new GTO. I could not believe how subtle the rear-end styling was....it looked just like any other typical American coupe. Either way, it's a great car for the price if you just wanna go fast in a straight line, and it looks decently practical for a coupe.
 
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I think I remember a commercial? The car slides into the drive in a 180 and backs into the garage. I think it was the GTO?
Yup that was indeed the new pontiac GTO.
The GTO does nothing for me. I agree with the review that says: “[f]orgettable styling, numerous standard features make it an expensive proposition.” (Edmunds.com) I have not seen one up close in person but the style doesn’t fit the image/profile they are trying to build IMO.
I feel sorry for pontiac, even when they bring out a great car (praised around the world) they still get slammed by overly critical reviewers. Although I love the looks of the monaro, IMHO pontiacs company front end just doesnt suit the car (even the monaro's designer publicly hated it). Have a look at australia's moaro.
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Isn’t it the same structure as the Grand Am? It’s like having power with no structural stability unless they beefed up the structure. I know the Grand Am and Grand Prix are very weak structured vehicles.
The GTO has a vhastly different structure from that of the GA. It actually has VERY strong parts, suspension and even skin. Why are they Strong? The car was designed and made for australian conditions and the outback (esp northern territory) i.e. huge potholes, endless dirt roads. Whereas the GA comes in only as a FWD the monaro has both RWD and 4WD (coupe 4). The 4WD was designed to chase subaru's around the city (by the police) and in dirt roads.

If you think 350hp is huge check out the racing version with 650+hp

This car won the 2002 bathurst (arguably the thoughest raceing circuit in the world) 24hr. The red monaro won the 2003 24 hrs.

Theres alot of haters out there in the web (usually pi$$ed off fbody owners or old goat owners), trust me dont believe them. I have a monaro (you can also ask new GTO owners) and many would tell you that its a great car (remember US has the lowest price, both UK, saudi, and aust have more expensive monaros).
 
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The GTO is a really nice car for the price. The front is nice but the side and rear just look too tame considering it's housing a 350hp V8 under the hood. I love the interior, though. I think the GTO is a huge step forward for Pontiac.
 
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I've seen tons of the GTO commercials in SoCal. That said, the commercials don't make me wanna go out and get one. I like the car though. Only thing missing IMO is a moonroof or T-Tops, and that's not that critical. There used to be a good number of Camaro fans. Not sure why they wouldn't jump on the GTO. I saw a good number of Camaro SS all over Cali. About the same price as a GTO.
 
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Heres a review by the (god) Jerremy Clarkson in top gear. Compared with reviewers in America, i would say that i respect Jeremmy more- having driven better more expensive cars and bagging any car he doesnt live, even a ferrari, porsche and maclaren F1 road car.
Vauxhall Monaro
[December 18 2003]

You have to feel a little sorry for Vauxhall as it thrashes around in the General Motors catalogue, trying to find something we might actually want to buy. First of all, they decided to import a selection of cars like the Cadillac STS and Corvette from America, but this ended badly. Even Vauxhall says "We know everyone who bought one by name". So now they're trying their luck with a car made in Australia.

On the face of it, this sounds even more hare-brained because Australia is not exactly ground zero when it comes to engineering innovation or excellence. Indeed, in the country's entire 200 year history, their only contribution has been the rotary washing line.

There are no Aussie planes, no Aussie food blenders or cameras or microwave ovens. Even my barbecue set was made in Canada. And, so far as cars are concerned, it's even worse. There was a bloke called James Holden who started out making saddles for horses and then after just 10 years of making motorcycle side cars was bought out by General Motors. And then presumably went to join the rest of the continent in the pub.

Nonetheless, today, there are still cars that bear his name and one of them has been singled out by Vauxhall as The Next Big Thing to hit Britain. God knows why. Choosing to buy an Australian car is a bit like choosing to drink a German wine. Why do you think all Australian motoring journalists end up over here? Because there's bugger all to do at home. Cars. It's just not what they do well.

However, I decided to have a look at the thing which, in the flesh, is like a two-door Vauxhall Omega, only much much bigger. Its proportions may work well in the Northern Territory but in Surrey, at our test track, it felt like a whale shark in a goldfish bowl.

I shalln't bore you with the styling details because there weren't any. And anyway, you can judge for yourselves. But for what it's worth, I thought it was quite handsome in an inoffensive, didn't-really-notice-it, sort of way.

You can probably tell from my tone here that I wasn't expecting the Monaro to be much cop. I felt it was a bit like going round for dinner with people who only know you because your kids are in the same class. You know you're in for an evening of mind-bending tedium.

But when I went through the door of the Monaro, it had a bit of a surprise up its sleeve. Tons of recreational drugs, and why don't you help yourself to my daughter while you're at it. This car is enormous, rounded, proper, wide-eyed, teeth-bared, stomach-flittering fun with a big, loud F.

Up front, you get the Corvette's 5.7-litre V8 which sends its 380bhp down a prop shaft and to the rear wheels via a limited slip differential. For those of you used to active yaw control from your Evo VIII or two-stage turbocharging from your Porsche, the Monaro will seem like switching to shepherd's pie after a week at the Peach and Peacock. But trust me on this, it works.

So far as speed's concerned, it goes from 0-60mph in 5.2 seconds and doesn't run out of crocodile rock until it hits 178. That makes it 1mph faster than the Lotus Carlton and, thus, the fastest Vauxhall ever. I know that's like winning the title of 'Bedford's most interesting accountant', but I raced it against a Jaguar XKR and it was extraordinary. The Jag leaped off the line like... well, like a Jaguar actually, while the Monaro was bogged down by an absurdly tall first gear.

But as the cars ate up the runway, the Aussie kept on gaining and gaining until at the braking point one mile down the road, they were dead level. That, then, is what you'd expect. American style straight line oomph from what, after all, is an American engine. There's an American style burble too, but there's nothing even remotely American about the way the Monaro corners. Which is remarkable when you remember it comes from a land with fewer bends than an Etch a Sketch drawing.

Turn in, add a splash of power and within moments, it will serve up the most delicious smoked power slide in the history of Top Gear's test track. The BMW Z4 was easy to handle down there. The Mazda RX-8 was better still (in the dry at least), but the Monaro was a whole new ball game. Sticking with ball games, the gulf between this and the aforementioned Jag is as big as the gulf between our rugby team and theirs. Only this time, they win. The Monaro is effortless hooliganism.

But when you settle down, the car does too. The seats that held you in place so marvellously on the track turn into armchairs, the ride is weirdly compliant, the steering is light and, because the engine has enough torque to uproot James May in an argument (probably, it's never actually been achieved), you can stick it in sixth and potter home at three, doing hundreds of miles to the gallon.

Inside, you get space for four and electric everything. The only thing that's missing is satellite navigation. But then it's only going to cost £35,000 when it goes on sale next May. The cheaper 330bhp version, with a top speed of 'only' 168mph will be here in April for £28,500. To sum up then, damn. Damn, damn, damn and double damn.

I was rather hoping to hate the Holden. I was hoping to conclude by saying the Aussies should stick to waving at flies. And I was dying to poke some more fun at Vauxhall for making yet another half-arsed and useless decision.

But the Monaro is a wonderful car. Too big, too brash and too loud, for some, perhaps. I can't see too many outside Chipping Norton church on a Sunday, for instance. But if you have an electric blue Subaru now, or a banana yellow 911, and fancy something a bit different next time round, you shouldn't give a XXXX for anything else.





 
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Again a word of advice. Dont believe people who doesnt own the car and know nothing of the monaro's history. The monaro in the 70's was also one of australia's first muscle car compeating with the ford GTHO (fasterst 4dr in the world until the M5 in the 80's(?)). This GTO is closer to the name GTO than the old pontiac GTO. Why? because it actually compeates as a GT car in britain against moslers, ferrari and porsches. If you guys want quality interiror, build quality (BWM owners usually do), and power then dont look past the GTO. This car isnt a typical pontiac FWD- since its really an import with above average comfort and quality.
 
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I've seen tons of the GTO commercials in SoCal. That said, the commercials don't make me wanna go out and get one. I like the car though. Only thing missing IMO is a moonroof or T-Tops, and that's not that critical. There used to be a good number of Camaro fans. Not sure why they wouldn't jump on the GTO. I saw a good number of Camaro SS all over Cali. About the same price as a GTO.
fbod fans blame the GTO for their cars demise, simpla as that. I wouldnt be surprised if Holden cut production of the 05 to 10K/year. This would actually be good for holden since they wouldnt be running for 24hr 6 days a week to produce cars.
 
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I don't like most American car reviewers, they barely know what they're talking about. Most of them drive Ford Explorers as their primary cars. Consumer Reports and those other similar kind of reviewers should stick to testing toasters and washer & dryer combos.
The best opinion is your own, assuming you keep an open mind and do a lot of research on the car before you make a conclusion about it.

I can tell you though, that probably nobody on this board actually wants to get a Pontiac GTO. We can respect the car; it's a great machine at a great price (nice exterior, beautiful interior, fast) but it doesn't look like it offers much in the handling and breaking department and although the exterior is nice, I can "see through it" so to speak. It has that generic Pontiac-American look to it that just doesn't suit my personality. Perhaps more aggressive styling on the outside would make it a lot more convincing because right now it just seems way too tame. I would expect a modern muscle car to have a much more commanding presence the way a good old American Mustang GT does.
 

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I like how the GTO has a 5.7 liter engine, but can't touch an M3 in any kind of performance. Yes I know; completely different cars... but pontiac had the M3 in their commercial saying it could be beaten by the GTO - so I'm making that comparison becuase they did too.

Pontiacs are shitty cars. Face it - no matter what, you're getting the cheap plastic interiors, the foam filled not even rubber-made quality bumpers, and simply an expensive-for-what-it-is car.

I would much rather have a slightly modded E36 M3 for half the cost that has twice the quality, and is nearly as fast.
 
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No way dude. The interior of the GTO kicks ass. The available leather interior colors (blue, red, purple) look awesome !!! The guages and the whole dash layout look really nice, too.
 
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big engine, fast, and many other things....but it is still a PONTIAC!


guys this is what we don't need. comments like this only provoke and don't serve to further the discussion. please don't stoop to such levels.

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