Consumer Reports 10 Best Cars - 9 are Japanese

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Consumer Reports picks 'Best Cars'
For 2004 models, Honda Accord Hybrid best family sedan, Ford Focus best small car.
CNN - March 5, 2005: 7:55 AM EST


DETROIT, March 4 (Reuters) - Japanese automobiles are the true kings of the road, judging by the latest annual "Best Cars" issue of Consumer Reports magazine, which hits newsstands next week.

All but one of the vehicles in the magazine's list of "top picks" in 10 different categories for 2005 are Japanese. The exception is Ford's small-sized Focus sedan.

Japanese vehicles also score a clean sweep on a list of 21 vehicles that Consumer Reports says it can recommend because they earned "very good" or "excellent" scores in all five major ratings areas it tested.

The recommendations are important since the spring auto issue from Consumer Reports, which accepts no paid advertising or free samples of the products its reviews, has long been seen as a trusted shopping guide by many U.S. car buyers.

Anything that could accelerate the rate of defection away from Detroit's mass market automakers is clearly bad news for the likes of General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. as they continue to lose market share to fast-growing foreign rivals.

The Big Three can take solace, however, from a Consumer Reports survey showing for the second consecutive year that the average domestic car is more reliable than its average European counterpart.

That trend, which gives Detroit at least some bragging rights, was reported by Consumer Reports for the first time in 24 years in its previous auto issue, in 2004.

Reliability results this year were based on responses from Consumer Report subscribers about a record 810,000 privately owned or leased cars and trucks.

Japanese and Korean automakers once again produced the most trouble-free models, with an overall problem rate of 12 per 100 for the 2004 model year, the same rate they have had for the last three years, Consumer Reports said.

It said GM, Ford and the Chrysler side of DaimlerChrysler AG inched closer to the Asians with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100, however. That matched the industry average and was down from a combined rate of 18 per 100 last year.

By contrast, the problem rate for European automakers rose slightly to 21 per 100 from 20 last year.

"Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, and Volvo had more than their fair share of problems. Only Audi came out better than average," the magazine said.

"The most reliable brand overall is now Subaru, which averages eight problems per 100," Consumer Reports said. It noted that Honda Motor Co. Ltd., long a reliability leader, now averaged nine problems per 100.

The single most reliable vehicle in the 2004 model year was Hyundai Motor Co, Ltd's low-cost Sonata sedan, with a problem rate of just two per 100.

The showing "further establishes Hyundai's remarkable turnaround from one of the least reliable brands to one of the best," Consumer Reports said of the Korean automaker.

Ford's Lincoln Navigator sport utility vehicle and Nissan's Quest minivan tied for most unreliable vehicle, it said, with problem rates of 49 per 100. Close behind was the pricey Touareg SUV from Volkswagen AG, which had 48 problems for every 100 vehicles.
 

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CR is always biased - it was only 6 months ago that the entire rating system on brands had Subaru mid-list. hmmm... I buy a vehicle based on what I feel is right and how I feel it should drive and how I feel it will proform throughout its life, NOT A MAGAZINE!

I've owned 5 BMW's since '97 and have never had a problem with any of them! Including the two I have now!

Come to think of it they had Hyundai at the bottom of the list for the most problems!
 

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CR is always biased - it was only 6 months ago that the entire rating system on brands had Subaru mid-list. hmmm... I buy a vehicle based on what I feel is right and how I feel it should drive and how I feel it will proform throughout its life, NOT A MAGAZINE!

I've owned 5 BMW's since '97 and have never had a problem with any of them! Including the two I have now!

Come to think of it they had Hyundai at the bottom of the list for the most problems!
So? That's just you. A lot of people DO follow the magazine - or else the magazine wouldn't be around anymore.

Maybe you should READ the article. Can you do that? At the bottom it states clearly;
The showing "further establishes Hyundai's remarkable turnaround from one of the least reliable brands to one of the best," Consumer Reports said of the Korean automaker.
which I assume means the company went from one of the "least reliable brands" to "one of the best." I don't know... you are older than me, so maybe I am misinterpreting it.
 

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A 6 month turn around huh?

Well with that said BMW should have iDrive straightened out in a couple weeks.

If you look at car sales trends why is it domestic sales are down, Asian sales are stagnate and European sales are up slightly within the last 3 months - doesn't make any sense. People wouldn't buy them if they listened to this then (example the Navigator 3 out of 5 people in my neighborhood own on and it was the worst vehicle), there would be a billion Hyundai’s' on the road, but there isn't because they aren't reliable - the ones you see on the road are there because they are cheap - cheap to buy - but now cheap to run because of parts, dealers and a terrible warranty - and we all know what happens when you buy cheap.
 
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A 6 month turn around huh?

Well with that said BMW should have iDrive straightened out in a couple weeks.

If you look at car sales trends why is it domestic sales are down, Asian sales are stagnate and European sales are up slightly within the last 3 months - doesn't make any sense. People wouldn't buy them if they listened to this then (example the Navigator 3 out of 5 people in my neighborhood own on and it was the worst vehicle), there would be a billion Hyundai’s' on the road, but there isn't because they aren't reliable - the ones you see on the road are there because they are cheap - cheap to buy - but now cheap to run because of parts, dealers and a terrible warranty - and we all know what happens when you buy cheap.
You sir obviously have no clue what you're talking about, and I think you should stop posting this kind of stuff.

They have one of the BEST warranties in the 'states. Yes the ones you see on the road are cheap, becuase they are BUILT and SOLD to be cheap to buy, maintain, etc. Not everyone can afford a Z4, an overpriced 645, and a new GMC pickup truck. Thats why those who can't, and want to buy a NEW car with an outstanding warranty, they go for something like a hyundai. The few people I know who have a hyundai - the tiburon (motor is built by mitsubishi - same motor as the 3000GT's), have had nothing but good experiences with the car and the company.
 
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epj3, I think you need to learn how to respect what other people post...

If you disagree with someone that doesn't give you the right to tell them that they "have no clue what they're talking about and should stop posting this kind of stuff"...

Not to mention you questioning his ability to read.

[screwy]
 

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You sir obviously have no clue what you're talking about, and I think you should stop posting this kind of stuff.

They have one of the BEST warranties in the 'states. Yes the ones you see on the road are cheap, becuase they are BUILT and SOLD to be cheap to buy, maintain, etc. Not everyone can afford a Z4, an overpriced 645, and a new GMC pickup truck. Thats why those who can't, and want to buy a NEW car with an outstanding warranty, they go for something like a hyundai. The few people I know who have a hyundai - the tiburon (motor is built by mitsubishi - same motor as the 3000GT's), have had nothing but good experiences with the car and the company.

I know someone with a Tiburon and an elantra, after riding in that tiburon not only does it feel like a POS but I wasn't surprised when he complained how it broke down and the service dept was taking forever to fix it without a loaner car. They build simple garbage and if they didn't offer a warranty "for the life of the car" (which pretty much is 100k, those hyundais fall apart after a while) nobody would buy it. Who cares about a big warranty, if it breaks down which hyundais engines have done in the past it's an inconvenience. I don't know where consumer reports get's their stuff from, but I'd take BMW's or Toyota's warranty over Hyundai's any day. Ever think maybe they NEED an "outstanding" warranty for what they build, I mean congratulations on their recent success with the elantra but how hard can it be to correctly assemble a simple car?? You know jealousy stinks...
 
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when i buy a car my priorities are far from "reliability and economy"
i look for driving enjoyment, pleasure...however most people prefer
the car as a tool to get from a to b, thus articles and ratings like these...

however that doesn't mean that companies like subaru, can't do
both well =]
 

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Need I say more, BTW all those 7 year/100K warranties only cover the powertrain, just like Dodge advertising that (psst... it's just the powertrain!)

It has nothing to do with affording a Z4, I would drive an old 3er if I had to because I know I wouldn't have an enormous amout of problems that you do have with those "kinds" of vehicles as explained above.

You see if you understood economics you would understand why they are capitilizing on people and why I feel and a large part of the automotive industry as to why they laugh at those companies, those who either can't afford a $20,000 car or drive them for economics want a new car buy them but not only for the price but the warranty, but end up having more problems then they are worth, as we all know a warranty is only as good as the man who sells it.
 

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Need I say more, BTW all those 7 year/100K warranties only cover the powertrain, just like Dodge advertising that (psst... it's just the powertrain!)

It has nothing to do with affording a Z4, I would drive an old 3er if I had to because I know I wouldn't have an enormous amout of problems that you do have with those "kinds" of vehicles as explained above.

You see if you understood economics you would understand why they are capitilizing on people and why I feel and a large part of the automotive industry as to why they laugh at those companies, those who either can't afford a $20,000 car or drive them for economics want a new car buy them but not only for the price but the warranty, but end up having more problems then they are worth, as we all know a warranty is only as good as the man who sells it.
That is true - but like BMW dealers - it all depends on the dealer. I think mitsubishi's warranty is probably better than hyundai's, but any company advertising a 10 year warranty isn't going to build totally shitty cars. Sure they won't feel great, but neither does my dad's $33k msrp grand prix.

I think all of us here can agree economy and reliability isn't the top things on our list.
 

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I believe your right foot has just been inserted into your rather over massed oral cavity and I will end the argument with this comment;

If you are going to purchase a vehicle based on a magazine, which I am assuming is your intent, then why wouldn’t (if you’re paying for it with your own money) want something that drives great, a reliable manufacturer and brand, a reasonably economical machine (25 MPG ave in the Z4 not bad for 230 hp), and doesn’t drive like a 1902 Model T that has to be wound to start (aka Hyundai), doesn’t make any sense!

I will tell you I have some friends that drive what I like to call “the Pacific rim” cars and they would love to own a BMW, what I am telling you is this Consumer Reports report is a bunch of BS and biased the fact of the matter is nobody really wants the cars and the magazine is just trying to sell small economy cars, when they really aren’t reliable and NEITHER IS THE BRAND!
 
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Seriously, do people even bother with these Consumer Reports???

You walk in the dealership, you fall in love with a car (price, styling, or prestige), and you buy it!

No matter WHAT some "report" says...

We used to own a 1992 Toyota Corolla and let me tell you...IT SUCKED!

My uncle, who is a mechanic, had to come over and fix it regularly.

Now I'm guessing Toyota is pretty high up on that report ain't it?
 
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Consumer Reports overlooked this little gem, a bunch of the same Japenese manufacturers scored POOR on crash tests.

Small Cars Fare Poorly in IIHS Tests

The latest round of crash tests performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has found that many small cars suffer extensive damage in 31-mph side crash tests. The industry-funded research group says that eleven of thirteen compact cars - cars like the VW New Beetle, Ford Focus, and Dodge Neon - earned its lowest "poor" rating when equipped only with front airbags. The Chevrolet Cobalt and Toyota Corolla improved to "acceptable" when optional side airbags were installed. Other vehicles earning "poor" rankings were the Hyundai Elantra, Kia Spectra, Mazda3, Mitsubishi Lancer, Nissan Sentra, Saturn Ion, Suzuki Forenza, and Suzuki Aerio. Even when outfitted with side airbags, though, the Saturn Ion still received a "poor" ranking.
 

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Consumer Reports overlooked this little gem, a bunch of the same Japenese manufacturers scored POOR on crash tests.

Small Cars Fare Poorly in IIHS Tests

The latest round of crash tests performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has found that many small cars suffer extensive damage in 31-mph side crash tests. The industry-funded research group says that eleven of thirteen compact cars - cars like the VW New Beetle, Ford Focus, and Dodge Neon - earned its lowest "poor" rating when equipped only with front airbags. The Chevrolet Cobalt and Toyota Corolla improved to "acceptable" when optional side airbags were installed. Other vehicles earning "poor" rankings were the Hyundai Elantra, Kia Spectra, Mazda3, Mitsubishi Lancer, Nissan Sentra, Saturn Ion, Suzuki Forenza, and Suzuki Aerio. Even when outfitted with side airbags, though, the Saturn Ion still received a "poor" ranking.
To think, that the e30 was a fairly safe car, especially for its size...and these companies with airbags and everything else still aren't building cars as safe. I've seen pictures of e30's that have rolled over at around 80+ mph and the person walked away.
 
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I will tell you I have some friends that drive what I like to call “the Pacific rim” cars and they would love to own a BMW, what I am telling you is this Consumer Reports report is a bunch of BS and biased the fact of the matter is nobody really wants the cars and the magazine is just trying to sell small economy cars, when they really aren’t reliable and NEITHER IS THE BRAND!
Consumer reports is independent and has no bias or interest in selling cars for anyone.

Consumer reports is an excellent source for basic information about purchasing a vehicle. It is not designed to present the enthusiast perspective, but rather the perspective of the average person buying a car.

Reliability is just one aspect of a vehicle. Consumer reports is not the place for performance comparison. It is not the place for emotion, passion or the other intangible aspects of automobiles.

To malign consumer reports for not providing the kind of analysis found in Autoweek, Road & Track or Car and Driver is simply absurd.

The fact that so many people in this thread are getting bent out of shape over the article is rather amusing and reveals the insecurity some of you have about your bimmers.
 


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