What's up with 2006 M5??

[Average Jae]

there's also the case of the third tier supplier mucking up on a part that made up the whatever electronics that caused the failure, and this may have only became an issue after the said part was mass producted from the prototype. (hard to pin point the exact cause w/ not much info.)

i applaud bmw for taking a hit, and recalling the cars now, when the issue was first discovered, instead of trying to cover it up.

 

[Chesty Bonds]

there's also the case of the third tier supplier mucking up on a part that made up the whatever electronics that caused the failure, and this may have only became an issue after the said part was mass producted from the prototype. (hard to pin point the exact cause w/ not much info.)

Jae you're quite right but I personally believe that the extent and repetitiveness of the problems being experienced by the new breed of BMWs is inexcusable. A third-tier supplier isn't going to last long if they're the cause of all of BMWs recent problems.

I really believe cars are now just too smart for their own good.

 

[foomonkey525i]

I really believe cars are now just too smart for their own good.

Or our own good.

 

[deutsch100]

Jae you're quite right but I personally believe that the extent and repetitiveness of the problems being experienced by the new breed of BMWs is inexcusable. A third-tier supplier isn't going to last long if they're the cause of all of BMWs recent problems.

I really believe cars are now just too smart for their own good.

I remember back in around 2000 or 2001 when Mercedes beagn to have all their electrical problems, and we were so annoyed with it, were were told that the problem was that Mercedes was getting a majority of their parts from Former Easter Bloc countries and they could not control the quality like they used to. You try and save a buck, and end up ruining the most reliable and most prestigious car company in the world. Achtung BMW....let Mercedes' fall on their ass be your warning!!!!

 

[Wallie05]

I remember back in around 2000 or 2001 when Mercedes beagn to have all their electrical problems, and we were so annoyed with it, were were told that the problem was that Mercedes was getting a majority of their parts from Former Easter Bloc countries and they could not control the quality like they used to. You try and save a buck, and end up ruining the most reliable and most prestigious car company in the world. Achtung BMW....let Mercedes' fall on their ass be your warning!!!!

I don't want to get too argumentative, but that sounds like a very lame (not to mention, inaccurate excuse). VW's Touareg is built entirely in Slovakia, as is most of Porsche Cayenne (I think they put the engine in Germany so they can still say it's "Made in Germany"). And the Touareg is one of VW more reliable cars, depsite being loaded with acronym-derived electronic gizmos. To say that M-B's recent problems stem from "outsourcing" is a plain fallacy. Ever consider that maybe poorly engineered and poorly-thought-out (ah yes, the Deutsch are fallible after all--need I say something about their fragile economy?) electronics are at fault, and not poorly built ones??

Also, Lexus/Toyota have several plants scattered around Central and Eastern Europe (largely Poland and Czech Republic) and some of those plants produce everything from electronics to engines, and there a few assembly lines there too. Honda has a few plants in Poland, I believe, and is planning more. And need I say that the Japanese are making strong inroads in Europe thanks to their wonderful quality AND reliability.

Speaking of pushing the technological envelope, why do the Japanese have such few problems. Sure they may not be known as innovators, but the recent Lexus GS is very technologically-advanced, and I haven't, nor do I expect to, read any complaints about a decrease (or expected decrease) in reliability. Infiniti's right up there too with it's new M35/45, and to lesser extent with the FX and G35.

C'mon guys. Wake up and smell the coffee: BMW's not doing something right. It's not the "holy grail" of the automotive world. About 5 to 7 years ago, you'd be hard pressed to find a negative word aimed at BMW. Nowadays, car magazines are filled with negativity towards BWW--criticizing everything from styling to--yes--driving dynamics and build quality!! You can't just build a good driving car nowadays and say the rest doesn't matter or isn't as important...