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This car is in Portland Oregon and has been listed in our local BMW CCA Chapter. It has drawn interest from well-regarded M1 enthusiast that has actually gone and looked at it. He states it is in very good shape and is a very rare red color. Not many were painted in the red. Most were painted in the M1 orange. It was listed on eBay once before, but did not meet the min. asking price.
 

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I wonder why he states, "Do not bid until you contact me". And did you notice that he says you can have it for 10k, however there is no reserve on the car? I am going to bid, I sent him an email, and if I get the car you all can drool, but not on the car!
 
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I wonder why he states, "Do not bid until you contact me". And did you notice that he says you can have it for 10k, however there is no reserve on the car? I am going to bid, I sent him an email, and if I get the car you all can drool, but not on the car!
lol if you get it, I want a ride =P
 

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Why does he state he'll take "10.000 USD" when the car books for between 53 and 83k? And he states the mileage is 26k and the photo of the odometer shows 42k? Is something fishy here in Denmark?
 
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Here is some info the person who knows M1's stated about it. He is the one who owns the M1 I photographed at the M-Night banquet. You can see his in the Other Models section in our Gallery. This guy knows M1's. Hear is his words on the M1 listed above:

This car looks like it's in very good condition. It would definitely be one I would drive to Portland to look at.

Here are some notes:




VIN WBS59910004301407

Engine VIN: M88-462

Chassis number: 405

Original colour: red

Left ItalDesign: Nov. 18, 1980

Left Baur: Dec. 23, 1980

Original Customer: BMW Italy

Engines are really 3.5l (3,453cc), not 3.4l.

The options listed are actually standard equipment. The only option was a seat lowering kit.

These cars have metric instruments, so the 42,256 on the odometer is km, which is 25,354 miles.

The production numbers are right. I can't find the number of red cars produced, but it was less than the 96 orange ones produced. I suspect there were only 60 or so red cars. So, Eric, it might be easier to sell the M5 and get this now. Then look for a red M5 later, which will probably be easier to find.

There are about 150 or so M1's in the American Register that Gordon Medenica runs. 6 of those are in Canada.

"For a car built in 1980, I was extremely surprised as to how peppy and agile the vehicle drove." What? This is a supercar! Only the Ferrari 512BB was faster. The Porsche 930 was about the same speed, but was saddled with brutal turbo lag.

The front license plate bracket is missing. It is standard equipment.

The engine cover is misaligned. All the other ones that I have seen pictures of, have the right rear raised about 5mm above the matching bodywork. The problem is that the engine cover is slightly too wide for the opening, and the only way to align the cover so that the gap is even at the back is to raise one side slightly.

The standard equipment factory chrome exhaust tips are missing.

I'm having trouble telling, but it looks like the center caps on the wheels have the Roundel on them. This is wrong. It should have the original Motorsport logo (small Roundel surrounded by the Motorsport colours designed to look like a spinning vibration damper) on them. The proper caps are NLA, so maybe this was the best option after the restoration.

The rear license plate mounting screws are positioned for a European licence plate. A North American plate will scratch the paint.

The cover just below the rear window isn't warped. When I bought my car, it wasn't warped but is now after a few miles. [Eddie, don't read this sentence: ] My car now has 1,000km more than this one.

There's very little evidence of federalization. The exhaust manifold is unmolested, as are the bumpers and gas fillers. This is extremely important, as most US conversions weren't that nice. I suspect that this car has received a recent restoration which un-did the federalization process.

The center section of the trunk carpet looks like it's seen better days, as has the tool wrap thing.

The ignition coil has been moved from the stock mounting location closer to the left side of the car. The other M1 in Vancouver has this same problem, so I believe the threads for the mounting screws were weak to begin with.

In the picture with the coolant bottle and ignition control module, there's a black plastic cover. I don't believe this is stock. But engine bay pictures are as rare as hen's teeth, so I don't know for sure. I couldn't find it in the ETK.

The "Caution - Engine is Hot" warning sticker (under the ignition coil) looks like it's in perfect condition. Damn, I'm jealous!

In the front compartment, mounted to the bulkhead, just to the right of the windshield washer bottle is a "thing" that shouldn't be there. After the discussion on the M3 SIG, I suspect that this is an inline water pump that continues to circulate coolant after the engine has been shut off.

There's a fire extinguisher beside the driver's seat. This isn't stock, but it is a good idea. There was a blue M1 in Vancouver that burned to the ground 20 years ago due to an electrical fire.

The gear shift knob isn't stock.

The floor mats aren't original or have fadded. They should be black.

The radio has been changed. The original one was a Becker Mexico, which I think is NLA but I haven't checked.

And there's the federalization evidence: There shouldn't be a seat belt idiot light on the dash. It is visible just above and to the left of the radio. There isn't one on stock M1s. I suspect that it still exists because there's now a hole in the NLA dash, and leaving it in was the least offensive kludge.

It has the later clock.

The HVAC controls are in German. This might seem weird for an Italian market car, but the ETK only shows 1 version. BTW, this is an E21 panel and is available in several languages.

The headliner above the driver's head looks like a previous smoker was an owner. No, I didn't get those words mixed up. That's pretty bad.

I would put absolutely no weight to the statement " Passed Thorough Dealer Inspection". There's only 1 employee in any of the four Vancouver dealerships that I would let touch my car, and he's reluctant because he hasn't dealt with that sort of technology since the 2002tii's were being serviced at the dealerships 30 years ago.



Overall, a very interesting car...


Dean
Grand Prix Imports had the car listed as $89,950. Very interesting....
 
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Why does he state he'll take "10.000 USD" when the car books for between 53 and 83k? And he states the mileage is 26k and the photo of the odometer shows 42k? Is something fishy here in Denmark?
26k Miles is 42k Kilometers, remember that the whole car is euro =P, even the speedo is in KM. He didnt put a reserve on it because he knows that dozens of people are going to fight over this puppy.
 
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Remember this car was posted on eBay once before, but it did not meet his min. bid requirements. This is an Euro spec car, but just as Dean stated it does show some sign of US Federalization evidence:

And there's the federalization evidence: There shouldn't be a seat belt idiot light on the dash. It is visible just above and to the left of the radio. There isn't one on stock M1s. I suspect that it still exists because there's now a hole in the NLA dash, and leaving it in was the least offensive kludge.
The seat belt idiot light on the dash is not on any Euro spec M1's produced. M1's are a rare breed in general, but his is a rare M1 amongst rare M1's. Not many reds produced. Keep in mind you cannot get a NLA dash anywhere besides a parted out car. They do not make any major replacement parts for this car….
 

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I sent the seller an email, here is what I got back:

Hello,
Sorry for delay
Thank you for your interest in my car.
First of all, I want to tell you that the vehicle is in perfect condition.The milage is accurate.It has no scratches, no damages, no hidden defects.Kept it in a warm garage.It comes with all the documents needed for registration in US, it has a clear title issued in US and it can be anytime registred into your name any time without a problem so, I want you to stay cool about this.Also, the car will be delivered from London,United Kingdom and I will take care of all shipping and insurance charges.
I didn`t pay anything for this car , I received as a gift from my father, and thats why I'm selling it so cheap, for only 10.000 USD, i don`t like it and i want to buy another one.I`m in conflict with my father because he don`t want to give me this money, so i sell his gift because i need money urgent! I guarantee everything is allright and eBay can doublecheck this.I want everything to be ok,the payment is done through eBay secure transaction , i start the shippment to your location after you will make an 5.000 USD ebay amount, after you receive the car you`ll send me others 5.000. The shippment is made through DAS and will take a maximum of 10 days to get to you . I cover all shippment fees. If you agree with the price and you are determined to buy, please send me your full name, shipping destination address and your eBay user name so I can send them to eBay and start the paperwork.Once you recieve the car, you will have 15 days to inspect and test it and if you are not satissfied with it you can ask for a refund and eBay will give you a full refund, except for the shipping fees wich you will in this case have to cover.
Thanks for your time.
I say something stinks here read his email very carefully. He says the car is in London, the eBay listing says it is in "WAYNESVILLE, NC" and it is listed in Wilsonville Oregon as shown in Scott's post. All the VINs are the same...Hmmmm, something stinks here.
 
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[doorpeek]

The shippment is made through DAS and will take a maximum of 10 days to get to you . I cover all shippment fees.
DAS? Direct Air Shipment??? I don't know, I'm just guessing. But 10 DAY shipment from the UK would be $$$$$, and he is going to pay the cost out of the $10K selling price.

RUN, FORREST, RUN!!!!!!! I smell a scam. [doorpeek]
 

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I just emailed eBay's fraud department and copied Grand Prix Imports in Oregon. I think the eBayer hijacked Grand Prix's listing and is scaming people. I notice the bidding price has gone down, like some bidders figured it out and withdrew their bids! Like you say Kirby RUN................
 
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I just emailed eBay's fraud department and copied Grand Prix Imports in Oregon. I think the eBayer hijacked Grand Prix's listing and is scaming people. I notice the bidding price has gone down, like some bidders figured it out and withdrew their bids! Like you say Kirby RUN................
Great job Dan! This guy is full of shit. I will show the quote on the BMW CCA that another person coming home from Cali actually stopped by on the way home and he looked at the car in person. This car is in Oregon period. Here is his quote:

In the 'for what it's worth' camp.....

Yesterday I was driving up from California and took a small detour to Grand Prix Imports just south of Portland. I was there about 6pm but did a peek through the window (and just to see what their place looked like). They were not open.

I was turning around to get back in the truck when another car pulled up. It was one of the owners (I guess) of Grand Prix. He came back to get something out of his office and somesuch and said I was welcome to look at the car (M1) if I wanted to. I said I had seen the auction and found out about his place as a result. He mentioned the auction did not go through but there were several contacts made through that listing. He seemed like a nice guy and let me have the run of the place for the ~15 minutes I was there.

As Dean mentioned - It is a very nice car. There were some issues with weatherstripping and trim but all the pieces were there. Mechanically, the engine looked very clean. If I were go give Dean's car a 100, this one would be a 93 or 94. I really don't know the availability of window trim (rubber around the window) or other needed pieces and interior bits that looked 'funny'. I also don't know how it drives/runs as I was just doing a visual look-see.

But - For what it is (and the price they are looking for) probably not a bad deal if all the stars and planets align for someone.

Now - The funny part was that my wife was actually quite positive about me wanting to get the car. The kicker is the money. Isn't it always.
The people in this Chapter are very highly respected. This thread was first posted 05/26/05. I don't care who you are nobody is going to let an M1 go for 10 grand. They are nuts if they do....

*EDIT* the car is in Wilsonville Or.
 

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Yeah notice he will "start the shippment to your location after you will make an 5.000 USD ebay amount,..." Sure I will send him 5k and hope he sends me a 90k car so I can pay him the other 5k.....just call me stupid!

Yes you are correct Scott, our chapter of BMW CCA has a lot of knowledge and expertise.
 
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Look at the payment options at the bottom. Cash: cash in person...

eBay should do something quick or Grand Prix Imports should be contacted. Dan we should post what we have seen on the thread in the local chapter. The thread is under the General - Members Forum, 3rd page, under the "I already want to trade in the racecar..." thread. This is complete scam...
 


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