Toyota Introducing Lexus Brand to Japan

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What do you guys think? Would it sell? I guess its sort of like Ford/Lincoln and GM/Cadillac here.

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TOKYO - Bow-tied waiters held trays of mineral water and chic ambient music filled the air as Toyota unveiled the three models Tuesday that will mark the introduction of the Lexus luxury brand in Japan, 16 years after it was rolled out in the United States.

For a combination of cultural and business reasons, Japan's No. 1 carmaker has until now avoided using the Lexus brand in its homeland, choosing instead to sell many of the same models under its trusted Toyota name.

For years, conformist Japan has lived under the ideal that everyone is middle class, and most people tended to shun flashy or luxury cars that stand out.

But Toyota officials say Japan is changing, and a growing upper class is willing to spend — though how the new brand will fare in this notoriously finicky consumer market is uncertain.

Toyota Motor Corp. says it's trying to sell more than a car. It wants to give customers "an experience," and set up luxurious-looking dealerships, complete with leather furniture and hotel-quality service, especially for the Lexus. The showrooms open Aug. 30.

"This is the realization of our dream to create a global luxury brand," Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe told reporters at a giant tent pitched in a Tokyo park, similar to tents for fashion shows and other gala events here. "This is something we have wanted for many years."

The Lexus models sold in Japan, which were known here as the Toyota Aristo, Soarer and Altezza, are slightly different from — and cheaper than — the sedan models shown Tuesday, the GS430/GS350, SC430 and IS350/250, priced as much as $61,000.

Toyota is counting on the success Lexus scored since its debut in 1989 in the United States, including excellent J.D. Power and Associates rankings, to woo rich Japanese, who now buy imports such as BMW and Mercedes Benz.

Toyota, based in Toyota city, in central Japan, has set up a special training center to groom classy, courteous dealers to sell the Lexus brand in Japan. That's proved a challenge because Japanese dealers are already superior to what people are used to in the United States and other nations.

Watanabe said Toyota is targeting 3,000 vehicles a month sales for the three models combined, and other Lexus models will start selling in coming years, including a hybrid GS next year. Toyota sold 7,900 of the planned Lexus three models combined last year in Japan as Toyotas.

This year, Toyota expects to sell 84,000 vehicles of the three new Lexus models around the world, 20,000 of them in Japan, Watanabe said. Next year, that the company hopes that will climb to 500,000 worldwide for all Lexus models — 50,000 to 60,000 in Japan, he said.

Toyota sold more than 358,000 Lexus vehicles around the world last year, about 80 percent of them in North America. Since 1989, Lexus global sales have totaled more than 2.7 million.
 
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So wait, as far as I understand, Toyota will start calling some of their cars they sell already as Lexus and sell them in a new, different dealership along with some new models Lexus models. So basically, the same car sold in a Toyota dealership now as a Toyota will be sold in a Lexus dealership as a Lexus for more money all of which will go towards the upkeep of the new dealerships? It might be just me, but it sounds like people would be paying money for a place they almost never visit (because of high reliability) to look nice? Or will the price be the same for those models?
 
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They have to sell Lexus in Japan because their sales in the US have gone sour.
And just where do you get that? Toyota's kicking ass. Whether it's Toyota, Lexus, or Scion. And that's even despite the American car companies offering up employee pricing. They ain't GM.

But Lexus in Japan seems odd if the cars are the same. They're gonna have to make em more luxurious. Nicer dealers is gonna be tough since Toyota already has really pleasant dealers in Japan.
 

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What I mean is Lexus sales suck, they are trying to build the brand, but who wants a Lexus? Toyota and Lexus are shit from the same factory, its just Lexsux badge costs $30,000 more? What sense does that make??

BMW & Mercedes kick their butt in Japan BTW.
 
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh Toyotas hybrid technology is amazing. I'm glad they are better than Honda's crapola, speaking of which those Prius' have good torque (electric motors) so they can probably beat any Honda from like 25-60 or something I dunno I'm just guessing.

Heres some specs

76 hp @ 5000 rpm (57 kW @ 5000 rpm)
82 lb.-ft. @ 4200 rpm (111 Nm @ 4200 rpm)

thats for the gas now for the electric

67 hp @ 1200-1540 rpm (50 kW @ 1200-1540 rpm)
295 lb.-ft. @ 0-1200 rpm (400 Nm @ 0-1200 rpm)

Def. own some Honda n00bs
 

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Oh please no, the reason why it has so much torque is because with electricity it has all the power it needs at every second, the problem with hybrid cars is their purpose doesn't exist put your foot down it uses the gas engine, turn the ac on uses the gas engine, turn the heater on uses the gas engine, exceed 60 mph uses gasoline, so I ask you what's the point it doesn't solve the problem, how about HYDROGEN.
 

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bmw046series would you please shut the fu*k up?

I wont argue about your points about the engine turning on though. The other problem is the hybrid cars weigh more - and only get 48mpg? You can get diesel VW's around here with more power that get 50+ mpg.
 
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Actually PhatBimmer, I think the advantage of electric motors (if you want to call that an advantage) is that it has the most power at 0 rpm, yes you heard me right, 0 rpm. Unlike a gasoline engine, the faster the electric motor spins, the less power it has. i think what the person meant who said that all the power is available at any rpm is that it is available right away, at low rpm, unlike with gasoline engines which you need to rev up to the sweet spot to get all the power.
 
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Easy, guys, easy.

Yes - Volkswagon Diesels get better real world mileage than the Prius.

The Toyota Prius IS NOT all Toyota has made it appear. There is ALOT of hype around the Prius, but the fact is that real world gas mileage does not live up to the Toyota hype.


The Car Connection:
"Critics contend that the cost of hybrid hardware - generally adding $4000 to $9000 to the price of a comparable gasoline-only vehicle - is difficult to offset through increased mileage, even with $2.50-a-gallon gasoline. "When you just use the argument of fuel efficiency, the purchase of a hybrid car is not justified," acknowledged Kazuo Okamoto, the new head of R&D for Toyota Motor Co., in a recent interview with London's Financial Times.

The equation is only more off-balance when real-world, rather than promised, mileage is taken into account. While Toyota claims Prius gets close to 60 miles per gallon, consumers report it more typically delivers around 40 mpg. Esmond admitted there is a notable fuel economy gap, but insisted it is the result of government tests automakers rely on, rather than any attempt by Toyota to mislead its customers.

And indeed, other hybrid manufacturers, such as Honda, concede similar discrepancies. But none of the HEV makers is willing to provide a more realistic figure, said Honda planning director Dan Bonawitz, because the higher numbers are "a competitive advantage.""
 
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But Lexus means Luxury EXport US. Using that name in Japan would be False Advertising - They have to change the name to LUXDOMEST - LUXury DOMESTic. [hihi]
 
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What I mean is Lexus sales suck, they are trying to build the brand, but who wants a Lexus? Toyota and Lexus are shit from the same factory, its just Lexsux badge costs $30,000 more? What sense does that make??

BMW & Mercedes kick their butt in Japan BTW.
Man, pass over some of what you're smoking. Of course Lexus sales suck in Japan. THEY'VE NEVER SOLD THEM THERE BEFORE. When you don't offer something, of course you're not gonna sell much of them.

And if you think Toyota and Lexus are shit, what the hell is a GM? Shit from shit?
 

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Wow, you see Lexus sales in the NA are slumped, they have been for a while. They are trying to promote the brand by selling in Japan. Makes Sense.

GM shit I never would have thought of that?
 
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Actually PhatBimmer, I think the advantage of electric motors (if you want to call that an advantage) is that it has the most power at 0 rpm, yes you heard me right, 0 rpm. Unlike a gasoline engine, the faster the electric motor spins, the less power it has. i think what the person meant who said that all the power is available at any rpm is that it is available right away, at low rpm, unlike with gasoline engines which you need to rev up to the sweet spot to get all the power.

Electric motors have 0 power at 0 rpm, (power is a function of motor speed). But you have the right idea, they have maximum torque or force at 0 rpm.
The real advantage though, is that since they run off electricity they can use power that is generated from braking, using generators to slow the car down. This is energy that would have otherwise just been lost, heating up your brake pads. Thats why the mileage is higher in the city than on the highway. With this system the brakes are no longer the major loss of power from the car, it is wind resistance.

I would like to see the milage that a TDI hybrid gets, now that would be sweet. [clap]
 
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First of all, you have to know a thing or two about hybrid technology before you form opinions about it.

Yes, hybrid technology is expensive, and when you compare a Honda Civic to a Honda Civic Hybrid, the Hybrid model's price increase does not even fully justify the gas savings. But the Toyota Prius is a hybrid vehicle from the ground up and it is a great value of a vehicle. The fuel economy tests reported by reviewers are often much lower than the EPA estimates because they are reviewing the car...they constantly have a lead foot. Most Prius owners get AT LEAST 46 miles to the gallon.

As for the VW's with the TDI motor, you do get good gas mileage, but 50+ mpg you must be dreaming. The VW New Beetle TDI is rated at 38/46 for the manual and 36/42 for the DSG, which does not exceed the fuel economy ratings for hybrid vehicles in the same class (as in, don't compare the New Beetle TDI to a Lex RX400h).

Many people have realized that although hybrid technology does deliver better fuel economy, it does cost more, as I mentioned before. So another plus in some hybrid vehicles is that you get a faster car. For example, the Lexus RX400h is thousands of dollars more than the standard RX330. But you pay for better gas mileage AND a faster vehicle....it is no longer hard for car manufacturers to make hybrid vehicles quick when they do not completely focus on optimal fuel economy.


046series, normally I would say to get your facts straight, but in this case I have to recommend you start from step one. Some of the things you say are completely out of nowhere and seem to be out of your own personal bias. The way you comment on Lexus sales and hybrid vehicles clearly shows that you know pretty much nothing regarding both topics, yet you want to make them look bad. You have the attitude that BMW is #1 and all other car companies are bad, and you are terribly wrong.
 

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MrElussive said:
.it is no longer hard for car manufacturers to make hybrid vehicles quick when they do not completely focus on optimal fuel economy.
Then what's the fu**ing point of hybrid? Not for more power (since a gas motor can still give you the best power to weight for the entire system needed to drive the car).

Batteries are heavy and VERY expensive.
 
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Reread what I wrote. The Toyota Highlander Hybrid and the Lexus RX400h both deliver faster acceleration and significantly better gas mileage than their regular gasoline versions. That's quite an accomplishment. As for the batteries, they are designed to last for the lifespan of the vehicle (8 years/100,000 miles). This is only the introduction of hybrid vehicles...the technology will get better with time.
 

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MrElussive said:
Reread what I wrote. The Toyota Highlander Hybrid and the Lexus RX400h both deliver faster acceleration and significantly better gas mileage than their regular gasoline versions. That's quite an accomplishment. As for the batteries, they are designed to last for the lifespan of the vehicle (8 years/100,000 miles). This is only the introduction of hybrid vehicles...the technology will get better with time.
Yes but buildinga hybrid for more power is stupid and not the point. Of course it's nice if it is faster, but it's not the reason to build a hybrid.
 
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Originally, Hybrid technology was for optimal gas mileage but if Bush cannot improve our gas prices, hybrid is the future for powering automobiles. There has been a shift in the potential of hybrid technology thanks to Toyota. Look at these specs:

Toyota Highlander Hybrid:
0-60 in 7.3 seconds
33mpg city/27mpg highway

Toyota Highlander V6:
0-60 in 7.8 or 8.0 seconds (can't find specs)
18mpg city/24mpg highway

Lexus RX330:
0-60 in 7.8 seconds
18mpg city/24mpg highway

Lexus RX Hybrid:
0-60 in 7.2 seconds
31mpg city/27mpg highway

As you can see, the hybrid models deliver significantly better gas mileage (particularly in the always-feared city driving) as well as much quicker acceleration. Hybrid technology may very well be the future to powering all of our automobiles due to our oil problems. At first, hybrid technology was just for better gas mileage, but now we can have the best of both worlds (performance and fuel economy).
 


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