Toyota deceiving the public intentionally?

[kornkid8600]

EPA is done by mathetmatical calculations, which means the way they calculate hybrids is wrong. Which is why that 60mpg is a false statement, by owner claims of about 40-45mph.

Also, I dont think people realize you hybrid cars have two engines to maintain, and well the Lexus RX has 3 actually. Overtime, these battery engines will need a replacement at high costs most likely, I mean the cost of having a hybrid functionality is costing about lets say about 8 grand or so? It would take about 10 years to break your wallet even if you bought a hybrid these days compared to a regular version, which consumes more gas.

Really, hybrids are pretty stupid, diesels are much more efficient, and even though states like California dont allow them because they dont "meet emissions standards" is a real joke. Seriously, you can buy any American diesel car out here in California, but not a German one. Whats up with that?

 

[bmw046series]

Actually I am talking about the the BMW V8 535d, and like I said they say 31 MPG but it really gets 25. Well put Korn.

 

[bmw046series]

BTW you still didn't address what ever happened to the Honda Insight? Do you know what happened?

 

[I love my 5 Series]

I think its amazing how opinions are treated as fact (or junk found on the internet or from a biased tree hugging organization).

Fact: Prius cars have a 7-10K mi break in period, where the car will have a lower gas mileage than the EPA estimate. After the break in period, the car will get 50 + MPG on the highway (with moderate driving).
Fact: BMW's also have a 7-10K mi break in period. Gas mileage is lower and power feels quite a bit less than the numbers BMW puts out. The engines are well made and are very "tight". It takes about 7-10K miles to loosen them up a tiny bit. A new 330i feels similar in power to a used 325i.
Fact: The concept behind the Prius/Insight/Civic Hybrid is to store energy (in the form of electricity) to keep the car operational while the car is not moving. The gas engine is needed to recharge the batteries (or regenerative braking when the car is slowing). Electric motors have high torque at low rpm, which is perfect for stop and go traffic (they are working at a highly efficient level). You have a vehicle that is not burning any fuel as it sits in traffic (or very little if it is recharging the batteries), then when you need to accelerate, the motor is in a very efficient operating range. To me this seems like a pretty good idea. Too bad the domestics don't have anything close to this yet. No, the Escape Hybird is not even in the same league as the fuel efficient Hondas and Toyotas.

 

[I love my 5 Series]

BTW, Honda's Insight was originally an electric vehicle. They changed the drivetrain to a Hybrid in 2000. 2005 was the last year the Insight was produced (both CVT automatic and stick shift). Gas mileage on the 5 speed is 61 MPH city and 66 MPG highway. Coefficient of drag is 0.25, so it can get better gas mileage on the highway (very low wind resistance). I don't know of a mass manufactured car that can claim this. Do you???

 

[epj3]

You talk about "Facts" But I never heard of this BMW 7-10k mile break i period.

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

I think its amazing how opinions are treated as fact (or junk found on the internet or from a biased tree hugging organization).

Fact: Prius cars have a 7-10K mi break in period, where the car will have a lower gas mileage than the EPA estimate. After the break in period, the car will get 50 + MPG on the highway (with moderate driving).
Fact: BMW's also have a 7-10K mi break in period. Gas mileage is lower and power feels quite a bit less than the numbers BMW puts out. The engines are well made and are very "tight". It takes about 7-10K miles to loosen them up a tiny bit. A new 330i feels similar in power to a used 325i.
Fact: The concept behind the Prius/Insight/Civic Hybrid is to store energy (in the form of electricity) to keep the car operational while the car is not moving. The gas engine is needed to recharge the batteries (or regenerative braking when the car is slowing). Electric motors have high torque at low rpm, which is perfect for stop and go traffic (they are working at a highly efficient level). You have a vehicle that is not burning any fuel as it sits in traffic (or very little if it is recharging the batteries), then when you need to accelerate, the motor is in a very efficient operating range. To me this seems like a pretty good idea. Too bad the domestics don't have anything close to this yet. No, the Escape Hybird is not even in the same league as the fuel efficient Hondas and Toyotas.

Well said I agree completely, except for the used 325i and new 330i power comparison... When I traded the 325i in and got in the 330i I immediately could feel the power even though I never took it over 4k rpms... I used to get 28mpg now I can get 33mpg if I feather foot her on the highway and let it cruise between 65 and 70mph.

Take the RX-8 brand new it does 0-60 in 6.3-6.4 while 15k miles later it does it in 5.9 seconds...Finally someone talking sense.

 

[Kirby]

I also disagree with the 325 / 330 comparision. My 330 has always had faster acceleration/more power than my 325. I also had a loaner 325 with 15K miles on it when my 330 went in for service at around 5K miles - the 325 was not even close.

 

[epj3]

The 330 is quite a bit faster. I get beat by 330's much worse than 325's.

 

[I love my 5 Series]

Comparing old body 330i (when new) to old body 325i (with lets say 15Kmi), they felt similar in power. My whole point is that a good, well built engine will not perform as intended until it loosens up a little bit. Gas mileage will be lower than expected.

 

[f155mph]

Ok let me end this right now HYBRIDS SUCKS! It is an automotive fad, 100,000 miles isn’t that good considering how much they cost I give it 2 years and you will see problems like I said, “Remember” the Honda Insight. Misu Elu. Maybe if you owned a German car you would realize the mileage indicator goes way past 100,000 miles.

A lot of what Merc, VW and BMW are doing is taking two turbo chargers to the engines one small one to build up the revs and a big one for the BOOST.

In regards to the X5 the performance is exactly the same as the RX, and it is 5 MPG difference.

I have seen the reports I have seen the claims the Hybrids don’t get that good of gas mileage when they say 60 you get 40 why buy it they are stupid cheap cars and will be dead in a few years time.

If you want great gas mileage buy a VW Golf, Passat or Jetta diesel you will have better luck and it will be better looking car with even better performance, and people will actually recognize you for being a human-being and not some fool driving around in a space-ship.

Wow are you for real? You are telling people to get VW? Sure they will save gas since they never runs. My co-worker got an Insight with over 130k on the original battery. He get 65-72mpg at over 80mph since he commute 100 miles per day. Can any VW do that? Let see if your GMC and Bimmer last 100k without giving you any problem. I love my Bimmer, but I trust my 14 year old Honda more.

 

[epj3]

Wow are you for real? You are telling people to get VW? Sure they will save gas since they never runs. My co-worker got an Insight with over 130k on the original battery. He get 65-72mpg at over 80mph since he commute 100 miles per day. Can any VW do that? Let see if your GMC and Bimmer last 100k without giving you any problem. I love my Bimmer, but I trust my 14 year old Honda more.

That's all find and dandy until a SUV taps you at 5mph and you die becuase you drive a car the size of a 4-wheeler.

Oh yea, my dad's pontiac grand prix has near 80k miles with no problems, and I have the full service history on my current car, and my E30. E30 had 182k miles on it with no major repairs sans warranty work (had 175k miles on it when I replaced the ORIGINAL clutch, and still had the original head gasket), and the e34 the same with 133k miles minus a replaced clutch. My friend's E36 has 144k miles and is the same, no big work.

Your point?

 

[bmw046series]

Thank You Eric! BTW Jody how many times have you had your battery changed?