Immediate Assistance - Clutch/BMW/Warranty Problems

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Last week Tuesday night I was driving home and all of a sudden, bang I thought I hit a deer, instead when I pulled over I couldn’t push the clutch in. I called roadside assistance, they came got the car, next day I called the dealership and they said the clutch went out, he was waiting for what the BMW field rep would say before the claim could be made official on what would happen.

That afternoon he said the car was abused and I tore the clutch out, so – he sent me pictures, I had some mechanics I know look at it, they said you can’t physically destroy it that badly it’s a product defect.

Then the BMW dealership service manger said that BMW isn’t going to pay for it – about $1,900 to fix it, a couple days later, he said well BMW will pay $900 or so for the flywheel and I’d have to pay half the parts and half the labor all in all about $500-600 for it.

The BMW Z4 2.5i has 14,000 miles on it, when I was driving it I was in 5th gear, 3 ½ RPMs about 60 MPH.

I can guarantee you I have never ridden the clutch or popped it in 2 – 5th when taking off, I drove it like a baby.

The dealership that it is at would not put me in contact with the BMW field rep, so everything is from what the dealer says; I purchased the car from a different dealer about 4 hours away versus 2 hours away where it is at now.

The BMW Service manager at the dealership that I bought it from said the Full warranty covers the clutch, the dealership that it’s at just says the car was abused – no third party looked it, just the dealer.

Along with that the prick that towed it broke the wishbone and the parking brake cable when towing but, but that’s no problem he’s paying for that.

BTW I just had it in for an oil change 2 weeks earlier with a clean bill of health.

I can’t get BMW to take care of this, what do I do...
 

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If I were you I would take it to another dealership and contact BMWNA customer relations...

Sounds fishy to me, maybe if you take it to the dealership you purchased it from and let them check it out you might get a different answer. If you can't get them to allow you to speak to the BMW rep or whatnot, threaten them with the Better Business Bureau or bad press.

I wouldn't accept a bill for a car under warranty *if as you specified did nothing wrong.

* Here is the number for BMWNA 1-800-831-1117
 
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The clutch failed and took out the flywheel? From what I know, that would require pretty heavy abuse or a manufacturing defect to happen. Since they are willing to replace the flywheel under warranty, why not the rest? Sounds weird. Like BMW 325i 7803 says, can you get a second dealer to look at it?
 
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If you don't get them to pay for absolutely everything then you are getting hosed.... there's no way you can destroy a clutch like that. No way. Those car are tested under the most extreme situations and if you let the dealer get away with that it would be rediculas. He is getting paid for the whole job by BMW and is trying to get some cash from you on the side. Don't let it happen. I beat the living heck out of my 1991 325i's clutch daily. Brake stands, ripping tire in reverse, ripping tire in first, second, even third once (wet out). My car loves it and was made for it. Yours was even more so made for it!

Honestly, its not possible for a clutch to get destroyed like that from abuse. I could try all day every day and it wouldn't. The clutch can burn out, wear out etc, but not have a catastrophic failure. You could have the engine bouncing off the limiter and let the clutch slip out from under your foot in any gear and it wouldn't break.... just slip or break loose the tires....

heck my brother tried to rip tire in his Audi A4 quattro by red lining it and dropping the clutch.... it just slipped... it won't break....

So i just blabbered forever.... i guess i'm just saying... make them pay for it cause its not your fault.

by the way, if there is in any way that i am wrong, i take not responsibily for catastophic clutch failures. I'm just talking from experience. I have a much cheaper car and can take risks as so.
 

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It turns out today a client of mine said him and his wife bought a brand new 1985 (at the time) 2002 and it was a lemon, he had more problems with it than it was worth and he sold it, same dealership I'm at.
 

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BTW It's Enterprise Motorcars in Appleton, WI!

He said the flywheel was scorched, I seriously doubt that the BMW Field rep saw it physically, the guy at the dealership said he won’t let me contact him.
 

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BMW Customer service just wants to get in contact with the dealership, but I told them 3 times already that it isn't going to do anything good because youre just going to get the round-a-bout, (and not the ones that they have in Europe.)
 

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No, they said 1,800 originally and retracted that and said they'd pay $900 for the flywheel and I'd have to pay half the parts and labor after that - $450.

I filed a complaint with my state Dept. of Transportation and Better Business Bureau, that’s ridicules I shouldn’t pay anything if it’s under warranty.

I’ve showed the parts to a couple mechanics and they said the flywheel would have to be discolored or burnt in order for it to be abuse, and it’s not just a busted clutch.
 
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The flywheel looks pretty scorched in that pic to me. If the flywheel wasn't scorched, why would the dealer want to pay to replace it?
just like every other mechanic, they want cash and think you are to dumb to know if they are lying or not. Even if it was burnt you can resurface it. If you don't know what you are doing they can get away with anything.
 
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Have you got this taken care of yet?

Just others had mentioned, get this think towed to a different dealer. This is not a sign of abuse. The dealer gets to make the calls for what is warranty and what is abuse. BMW will cover it if the dealer says it is failure.

My first guess would be that something let loose first. I would bet either a fragment, or a whole pad gave way causing the rest of the clutch to fail.

My second guess would be that the clutch was not fully engaged for some reason. Either from being misaligned, not adjusted, or linkage failure. This caused a lot of heat on the pads causing them to fail. I doubt this is the case because you said nothing looked burnt.

Best of luck.
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transmission cannot be installed if the clutch is misalligned. cannot adjust the clutch, only clutch cable but it is automatically adjusted anyway, and linkage only affects gear changes, not clutch.
 
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You can misalign a clutch....
I don't know if it cable or hydraulic, but it is possible to not be adjusted properly from the factory.
No the shift linkage, the arm that connects to the throwout bearing.

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the arm that connects to the throwout bearing is moved with the clutch cable. thats how the clutch engages, via the throwout bearing.

when you install a ctutch you have to align it with a tool. This alignment allows the transmission to be installed. if it is not aligned properly, then the transmission will not fit, it will not go in. If you can get the transmission in then it is aligned properly.

have you replaced a clutch before?
 
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the arm that connects to the throwout bearing is moved with the clutch cable. thats how the clutch engages, via the throwout bearing.

when you install a ctutch you have to align it with a tool. This alignment allows the transmission to be installed. if it is not aligned properly, then the transmission will not fit, it will not go in. If you can get the transmission in then it is aligned properly.

have you replaced a clutch before?
All accurate, except BMW clutches are hydraulic - they don't use a clutch cable. FYI. So, you can't even adjust the linkage. There isn't any adjustment on BMW clutches.

Seems to me like there was a manufacturing defect in the clutch, and it just came apart on him. Catastrophic failures like this don't typically happen in steet cars, no matter how badly you abuse the clutch. The clutch either wasn't assembled correctly by Sachs or developed a crack and blew apart - plain and simple.
 


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