i need a track day car
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He said the eta is lighter, thats why you would want it. If you were looking for power and knew a thing or two about the cars you're dealing with, you would know you can take parts from a m20b25 and put it on a m20b27 block and get tons of power. The ETA also has lower compression and longer stroke. What's this mean? Way more potential for power with forced induction.
But you ARE talking about a single over head cam engine, 12 valves, and one of the worst flowing heads bmw has ever made. I hope you're not thinking 300 hp or 220 hp naturally aspirated. ABSOLTUELY impossible on the m20, by the time you could hit the RPM's to make that kind of power, the timing BELT will have slipped.
Kirby - That sounds awesome! It's not going to handle too well, but it sounds like a neat project - I would definitely like to see it! It's like having two M20's in the car... in fact if it's an older V12, it IS two m20's.![[hihi]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_hihi.gif "Hi Hi [hihi]")
But you ARE talking about a single over head cam engine, 12 valves, and one of the worst flowing heads bmw has ever made. I hope you're not thinking 300 hp or 220 hp naturally aspirated. ABSOLTUELY impossible on the m20, by the time you could hit the RPM's to make that kind of power, the timing BELT will have slipped.
Kirby - That sounds awesome! It's not going to handle too well, but it sounds like a neat project - I would definitely like to see it! It's like having two M20's in the car... in fact if it's an older V12, it IS two m20's.
wow EPJ3 thinks hes mister big shot telling other people that they don't know about engines, by the way i am aware that you can put an i head on an eta block my uncle did it to his 1987 325e and he gets the mileage with the power but in order for me to do that it would cost an extra couple hundred bucks so before you go telling people off think about the situation more, oh and since you study bmw's do you know what a Koenigsegg is hmm, hmmm? i bet you don't because you have no life except that in which you go around putting your two cents and know it all attitude in comments that peopl are just trying to get help from. F.Y.I. you have NO life!
You really are an idiot. These guys were only trying to tell you what they suspected would be the best option for you. After all, you did ask their opinion. And then you ridicule the idea of putting the 325is head on the 325e block because it'll cost you "an extra couple hundred bucks", when clearly it'll cost you many thousands anyway in order to create a competent trackday car.
FYI, I think that any motoring enthusiast with half a brain would be fully aware of what the Koenigsegg CC and CCR mean to the motoring industry. Sadly, I don't think you have even that.
Before you go nailing people for their ignorance/arrogance, perhaps you should take a look at your own posts.
FYI, I think that any motoring enthusiast with half a brain would be fully aware of what the Koenigsegg CC and CCR mean to the motoring industry. Sadly, I don't think you have even that.
Before you go nailing people for their ignorance/arrogance, perhaps you should take a look at your own posts.
the point is not to spend more than i need to. and i do not have the fast and furious mentality in which you suggest and just so your not pushing that you guys probably speed all day long i abide by the laws maybe once and a while push my ix to 5500 rpm but i think strret racing is extremely stupid my moto is "if your not fast around the track, your not fast at all" also drifting i think is stupid its the slowest way around a corner. and just because im a kid doesn't mean i have less knowledge about cars and how they run, yes its true there are people out there that are faster than me and know more about cars than me, because they study cars all day, but you shouldnt nullify my knowledge of cars and racing.
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That must be real fast in a worn awd m20 powered e30.
Oh, and Eric, I heard full-stops were always a good thing between sentences
And drifting isn't stupid. It's probably the best barometer of car-control for an individual driver. Indeed, the quickest way around a course is to have the car sliding ever-so-slightly through the apex so that the car is as straight as possible at the exit of the turn. Maybe some track-diving tuition wouldn't be such a bad idea either sm32589g...
And drifting isn't stupid. It's probably the best barometer of car-control for an individual driver. Indeed, the quickest way around a course is to have the car sliding ever-so-slightly through the apex so that the car is as straight as possible at the exit of the turn. Maybe some track-diving tuition wouldn't be such a bad idea either sm32589g...
ook chesty i would take you any day any time i would beat you so bad you'd be forced to quit racing because a 17 year old beat you you'd go crying home to your mommy and she would suggest that you find a new place to live because she's tired of seing you come home crying and you need to stop being a mommas boy. id beat your lap time by 30 seconds and you would then realize that drifting is the slowest way around a course and before you continue to argue that idea think. why dont F1 cars drift? they arent made to drift right? why? but i though F1 cars were the fastest race cars? o my made drifting isnt supposed to be fast.
EPJ3 i think you have 1 too many beers so go lay down and think this, all, over. and 5500 rpm is a lot for my car im not gunna redline you crazy?wait im sorry i already knew the answer to that question.
EPJ3 i think you have 1 too many beers so go lay down and think this, all, over. and 5500 rpm is a lot for my car im not gunna redline you crazy?wait im sorry i already knew the answer to that question.
Formula 1 cars do not have to drift because their center-of-gravity is so low to the ground....if you look at other Gran Turismo type races (like the DTM) you will see that many, many of these cars do drift slightly in certain corners depending on where the apex is.....you being a car racer should know that you will very slightly drift in certain corners also....unless you are on a very wide course...if you are on the type of courses that we have here in germany then you will have to drift ever so slightly to get the best times........anyway I know you are only 17 but lets try to act like you are almost an adult and dont take the advice/opinions so damn personally and feel like attacking back....just take the advice and do what you feel is right for you and your track car.....if you fail just know that they tried to tell you so..... ![[scratch]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_headscratch.gif "Head Scratch [scratch]")
we lost the bid so were going to wait to buy an m3 anyways people who drift "slightly" just don't know how to use their brakes. i never drift out of corners unless i go to fast into the corner and it throws me outward thus loosing traction and time. but i usually do not drift ergo i am consitant ergo i can beat shifter karts.
Hehe, actually, if you want to go as fast as the car will let you, you have to 4 wheel drift through practically every corner. Tires have the most grip when they are slipping a certain amount (a pretty small amount), if you are using up all of the grip you have available to you, you are going as fast as possible for the current car setup and tire combination. If the tires aren't sliding ever so slightly through a corner (the car not 4 wheel drifting), they are not at their highest grip level, if they are not at their highest grip level, it is possible to go faster without loosing control (be at the limit), or use up all the grip available if you prefer. Therefore drifting IS the fastest way through practically every corner, it can't be a huge drift nor must it be always noticible, but it still is a drift (a 4 wheel drift that is). So even formula 1 cars drift, you just can't see it.
Thank you.....and by the way I dont drive a shifter kart either...LOL...
@sm32589g: If you are driving consistent AND beating shifter karts you ARE drifting ever so slightly....during one of your practice runs try to actually pay attention to the physics of the kart instead of 100% on the track and you will see what I mean.....that is what separates the best drivers in the world from others...they can tell the minute differences in the cars handling...tires, chassis, etc, etc.....why do you think NASCAR, IRL, Formula 1 are making constant adjustments to their car so it isnt too loose or too tight, etc, etc......
@sm32589g: If you are driving consistent AND beating shifter karts you ARE drifting ever so slightly....during one of your practice runs try to actually pay attention to the physics of the kart instead of 100% on the track and you will see what I mean.....that is what separates the best drivers in the world from others...they can tell the minute differences in the cars handling...tires, chassis, etc, etc.....why do you think NASCAR, IRL, Formula 1 are making constant adjustments to their car so it isnt too loose or too tight, etc, etc......
wow you guys are confused there is no "slightly" drifting, but there is something called sliding. i was talking about drifting not sliding. sliding you will always do no matter what you cannot prevent it unless you slow down to like 20 mph or w/e but drifting is where you enter the corner sideways and exit at a 65 degree angle. sliding is almost unpreventable especially if you are running cold tires.
Adrean racing comes so naturally to me i think about other things while i drive i.e. once i found myself figuring out a math problem while driving and passing someone, another time i was figuring out the weight to power ratio of my cart and i because i gained 10 lbs.
also i have only driven about 8 different cars before when my dad rents cars i drive them and one time he rented a cts i noticed all the handling and braking power of the car, then my dad rented a g35 sedan and i told him exactly what was different and better about the car and he was surprised hes like "ya, i was just going to say that...."
Adrean racing comes so naturally to me i think about other things while i drive i.e. once i found myself figuring out a math problem while driving and passing someone, another time i was figuring out the weight to power ratio of my cart and i because i gained 10 lbs.
also i have only driven about 8 different cars before when my dad rents cars i drive them and one time he rented a cts i noticed all the handling and braking power of the car, then my dad rented a g35 sedan and i told him exactly what was different and better about the car and he was surprised hes like "ya, i was just going to say that...."
Blake, it appears you do have some experience in cart racing, which is great! The problem is that not everything that applies to cart racing is directly applicable to full size car racing or performance tuning. I have raced carts in the past myself, and know the differences. Carts greatly simplify the dynamics of car handling and performance. As you know, shifting your body weight in a cart can instantly affect handling, in a car it does nothing.
Pete (Chesty) specifically used the word sliding, not drifting. It might avoid some of these confrontations if you read and think about the posts before responding, and choose your words more carefully.
For example, you said that in drifting cars "enter the corner sideways" . If you think about that, it's just not possible, and I think you'll agree. These types of statements tend to get people a little torqued up around here, since they do have experience/knowledge about these things.
Pete (Chesty) specifically used the word sliding, not drifting. It might avoid some of these confrontations if you read and think about the posts before responding, and choose your words more carefully.
For example, you said that in drifting cars "enter the corner sideways" . If you think about that, it's just not possible, and I think you'll agree. These types of statements tend to get people a little torqued up around here, since they do have experience/knowledge about these things.
This guy CAN NOT be for real. If he is, I have a feeling he will never get far in any racing series due to his shitty attitude and terrible grammer. Can you imagine engineers dealing with this? Hell no.
I think your car, whatever you buy, is going to completely suck. If "300 horsepower" and "m20" rolls off your brain in the same thought - you have NO clue about what you are getting yourself in to.
I think your car, whatever you buy, is going to completely suck. If "300 horsepower" and "m20" rolls off your brain in the same thought - you have NO clue about what you are getting yourself in to.
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