I saw this on one of the adds on my EUROPEAN CAR magazine. I looked at it and was wondering is it really worth it??? TURBONATOR.COM let me know plz!!![[:D]](/images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin [:D]")
Would you buy this supercharger?
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It might increase power if it really does force more air in but it will also decrease fuel economy because more mixture means more power, more air means leaner mixture. Basically as it forces more air in, the injectors will have to put more fuel in to maitain the proper mixture. The vortex effect will only help if all the fuel is not mixed with air all the time.
Well it's not a supercharger... I don't know enough about the physics that is involved with this device to know weather or not it would actually work. If it does work I suppose it would be a good investment. The problem is that its $76 - and for that ammount of money all you get is some little fan-looking thing.
If anyone really knows if this works let us know.
If anyone really knows if this works let us know.
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hmm. thinking of how much air is needed, and the size/design of that fan, it will not gain you any on max hp. it might even stifle your air tunnels. but maybe on the low end, it could possibly keep a bit of pressure on the throttle body, and yet after the throttle opens, the fan might not have enough power to continue a force of induction. so there is no telling about its responce. im cheap too... but not dumb. i would need dyno info before i bolt it on.
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Guys as far as I understand from their explanation, this thing isn't a supercharger or some other kind of device which will increase your boost. It simply creates a vortex in the incoming air, so when it is being mixed with fuel the air/fuel mixture will be more homogeneous(like steering that mixture with a spoon), so there will be less unburned fuel left after ignition than in the usual case. It is just gonna increase your gas milage(maybe a bit the power too). I am not sure how well it is gonna work, cause I think the mixture is vandalized enough in the combustion chamber before iginition, but ...
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...![[screwy]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_screwy.gif "Screwy [screwy]")
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...
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demq said:
Guys as far as I understand from their explanation, this thing isn't a supercharger or some other kind of device which will increase your boost. It simply creates a vortex in the incoming air, so when it is being mixed with fuel the air/fuel mixture will be more homogeneous(like steering that mixture with a spoon), so there will be less unburned fuel left after ignition than in the usual case. It is just gonna increase your gas milage(maybe a bit the power too). I am not sure how well it is gonna work, cause I think the mixture is vandalized enough in the combustion chamber before iginition, but ...
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...
demq said:
Guys as far as I understand from their explanation, this thing isn't a supercharger or some other kind of device which will increase your boost. It simply creates a vortex in the incoming air, so when it is being mixed with fuel the air/fuel mixture will be more homogeneous(like steering that mixture with a spoon), so there will be less unburned fuel left after ignition than in the usual case. It is just gonna increase your gas milage(maybe a bit the power too). I am not sure how well it is gonna work, cause I think the mixture is vandalized enough in the combustion chamber before iginition, but ...
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...
Anyway I am not strong in physics, just making a living out of it...
Steve
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Yeah thats true![[:)]](/images/smilies/smile.png "Smile [:)]")
I just wanted to have some info about it. Now that I think about it I think the only reason alot of them are being sold is because RICERS think it is the best thing out there. I think they had it on the IMPORT TUNER and said it was a good buy...I dunno but I won't buy it anymore thanks for the info guys . ![[:p]](/images/smilies/tongue.png "Stick Out Tongue [:p]")
I just wanted to have some info about it. Now that I think about it I think the only reason alot of them are being sold is because RICERS think it is the best thing out there. I think they had it on the IMPORT TUNER and said it was a good buy...I dunno but I won't buy it anymore thanks for the info guys . 
The success of this device depends one enourmous assumption - Air / Fuel mixture in your engine is not sufficient AND this results in less than optimal power. I know a fair bit about physics, and let me assure you, in modern engines (produced after about 1920), this is simply not true.
A couple things he should add to his FAQ page:
Q: Will this work with my diesel engine?
A: No, it doesn't work on any engine, and certainly could not on a diesel as the fuel is added directly to the comubstion chamber. Creating a vortex in the air intake system would have no effect on a diesel engine.
Q: How does the vortex remain in effect as the air passes through the complex shapes and curves of a modern carburator?
A: It does not. This device will increase your performance in the same way a large "Powered By..." sticker does.
Q: How does the vortex improve air fuel mixture when the throttal bodies and fuel injector nozels of modern fuel injected engines have already been designed to provide optimal fuel / air mixture?
A: It does not. And even if it did improve air fuel mixture, the increase in power and fuel effeciency would be imperceptible. In fact, the random turbulance that results from the air being sucked into a combustion chamber and compressed by the rising piston, then on the following stroke ignited, is such that almost no "pre-mixing" is necessary.
Q: If this thing does not work, how do you stay in business?
A: I rely on bad science and ignorance to trick people into thinking my device works. Also, by preying on the poor boy racer who can't afford real performance enhancing products.
Q: The device looks so simple, why do you charge so much for it?
A: Although my device costs only $2.38 to manufacture, I have found that products priced between $50 and $100(K&N, et. al.) are perceived as legitimate, yet still sell in high volume.
A couple things he should add to his FAQ page:
Q: Will this work with my diesel engine?
A: No, it doesn't work on any engine, and certainly could not on a diesel as the fuel is added directly to the comubstion chamber. Creating a vortex in the air intake system would have no effect on a diesel engine.
Q: How does the vortex remain in effect as the air passes through the complex shapes and curves of a modern carburator?
A: It does not. This device will increase your performance in the same way a large "Powered By..." sticker does.
Q: How does the vortex improve air fuel mixture when the throttal bodies and fuel injector nozels of modern fuel injected engines have already been designed to provide optimal fuel / air mixture?
A: It does not. And even if it did improve air fuel mixture, the increase in power and fuel effeciency would be imperceptible. In fact, the random turbulance that results from the air being sucked into a combustion chamber and compressed by the rising piston, then on the following stroke ignited, is such that almost no "pre-mixing" is necessary.
Q: If this thing does not work, how do you stay in business?
A: I rely on bad science and ignorance to trick people into thinking my device works. Also, by preying on the poor boy racer who can't afford real performance enhancing products.
Q: The device looks so simple, why do you charge so much for it?
A: Although my device costs only $2.38 to manufacture, I have found that products priced between $50 and $100(K&N, et. al.) are perceived as legitimate, yet still sell in high volume.