Toyota to build factory in DETROIT?

Will Detroit welcome or shun Toyo

  • Yes, Detroit needs new industry

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • No, the "Big 3" & unions blame Toyota for their downfall

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Where's Detroit? What's Toyota?

    Votes: 3 42.9%

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Toyota Motor Corp. manufacturing executives have scouted three sites in Michigan and will visit two more, signaling the state has emerged as a serious contender for a new engine plant.

But one of the company's key concerns is how a Toyota plant in Michigan would be perceived -- as an affront to Detroit's automakers and their employees, or as a gesture to bring manufacturing jobs to a state that is losing them fast, according to people familiar with the company's deliberations.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm is lobbying for a Toyota plant in the hopes that it would send a message that the state is still an attractive candidate for manufacturing investment.

Toyota, the world's richest and second-largest automaker, is in a delicate position.

"Whether it's fair or not, they'll get a lot of blame for what's happening at Ford, GM and Delphi," says Sean McAlinden, vice president at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor.

Toyota executives insist they are not the cause of the troubles besetting Detroit's automakers -- they say they have different clients, and surveys show most Toyota customers cross-shop its vehicles against other import brands.

But Toyota officials are keenly aware that the company generates more than half of its profit in a country whose domestic industry is losing market share and struggling financially. As the biggest foreign player in the U.S. auto market, Toyota stands out as a lightning rod for protectionist anger.

"What better gesture can they make than to put a plant in one of the states hardest hit by the high level of competition and which also has a well-known Democratic governor?" McAlinden said.

Aside from the political considerations, Toyota is greatly tempted by Michigan's wealth of skilled trades workers -- experts in repairing machinery, industrial electricians, toolmakers and others with specialized skills.

Michigan boasts more than 180,000 skilled trades workers -- more than the seven largest Southern states combined.

On the other hand, Toyota does not want to tangle with the United Auto Workers union -- a sentiment felt most strongly by the automaker's North American managers.
 

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I hope they do get mixed with the UAW that will set Toyata in the right track!

Different clients, yeah people who drive Prissies and think they are better than everyone else.
 
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Looking at the poverty, the standard of living, and the unemployment rate in Detroit, if they have an ounce of sense, Detroit will embrace Toyota. This town is really starting to come back, from what I hear--used to be worse than it is now, and I think this will really help boost its economy; because it certainly needs it. Also the article's reference to bringing the suppliers up to par is dead on; I think that is the Big 3's biggest problem-useless suppliers--I don't know how many articles I read on how production is somehow altered because of a parts supplier.

Sean
 

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One aspect of it, yes! Like you say, "Looking at the poverty, the standard of living, and the unemployment rate in Detroit, if they have an ounce of sense, Detroit will embrace Toyota. " What do you think they will do?
 
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Big Daddy said:
One aspect of it, yes! Like you say, "Looking at the poverty, the standard of living, and the unemployment rate in Detroit, if they have an ounce of sense, Detroit will embrace Toyota. " What do you think they will do?
Probably get the Teamsters together, put up the dukes, and try and kick Toyota outa the Motor City..... [;)]
 
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I think, or at the very least would like to think, that Detroiters will put their pride for U.S. cars aside for the pride of their city. The city is doing ALOT trying to improve things, and it shows in the peoples' attitude. Everyone here seems to me more helpful and nicer than back in Baltimore, and people seem more hard working. I was picking up some fast food at some place where there was no drive thru (Church's I think), and there was a guy asking me $.06 so he could cover tax and get some dinner; before I could give it to him some else put a dime in his hand. But what really struck me was his comments when he was ordering; he pulled out a key chain with a single key, saying to me with pride that he paid rent for the month, but it left no money for food. He had been laid off, and earned his money doing odd and end jobs for neighbors, etc. He took real pride in the fact that he was able to cover rent; and my experiences here have been fraught with stories like this--it isn't an isolated incident--people here take pride in a level of success, and ability to provide. But then again, maybe I WANT to believe that people want the best.

Having related that completely unnecessary story, I think they will swallow that hige amount of pride.

And btw the buildings for admin for the UAW & Teamsters is an obnoxious and arrogant building; it's structure and sign really give off an impression of overwhelming presence. I will take pictures and post them.
 
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Are we talking about Detroit???? The city where you cannot drive an import to the GM/Ford/Chrysler plant? Where the locals riot when their team wins (or loses) a major game? This is the town where people don't talk to each other because they are a Dodge family. Toyota is making a big mistake on this one.
 
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Toyota workers can turn off the assembly line if they see a problem. This allows the problem to be fixed right away (less recalls, parts fit right, high quality). Imagine a UAW employee with a button to turn off the assembly line!!!! Then again, it would get rid of the glut of domestic cars stuck on dealers lots!
 
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I love my 5 Series said:
Are we talking about Detroit???? The city where you cannot drive an import to the GM/Ford/Chrysler plant? Where the locals riot when their team wins (or loses) a major game?
oh yea, no other city in America has a riot when their team wins a championship right?

MSU isnt' exactly in Detroit, and is a college. while i'm not exactly proud, it was still a spectacle.

common, tell us how you really feel about detroit.
 
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First, either GM or Ford will have to file for bankrupcy. Then auto workers will leave the Big Three for Toyota in droves, and the union will not be able to do anything about it. Pride doesn't put food on the table.
 


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