This is bullsh*t.
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I know, a crazy amount of Americans bitch about gas prices, but we're also the same idiots who just love those gas guzzling SUV's. We've always had good gas prices compared to Europe and it's not like we're getting killed when buying gas. I hope that these high gas prices stop idiots from buying H2's. I don't think H2 owners with 24" rims realize how ridiculously stupid their vehicle looks....I mean, are they TRYING to be stupid about it? Oh man, look at me, I got all riled up about how much I hate the H2, let me just stop now.
Yea gas prices in Europe are ridiculously high, but then again they don't drive nearly as much as we do... you can walk to anywhere (that's why I love it so much). Anyway, I hate SUVs, except for maybe the X5, even though it's not a real SUV. I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I'm gonna write this anyway:
Hummer H2:
Price as tested - $52,935
0-60/Quarter mile: 10.7/17.6
Top speed: 99 mph
Braking, 70-0mph: 244 ft.
Roadholding: 0.62g
EPA City: 10mpg
Now why the hell wouldn't you go for an M3? You need to be an idiot not to, a Kia Optima literally outdoes it in everything, and it's about 1/3rd the price.
Hummer H2:
Price as tested - $52,935
0-60/Quarter mile: 10.7/17.6
Top speed: 99 mph
Braking, 70-0mph: 244 ft.
Roadholding: 0.62g
EPA City: 10mpg
Now why the hell wouldn't you go for an M3? You need to be an idiot not to, a Kia Optima literally outdoes it in everything, and it's about 1/3rd the price.
I laugh at most SUVs (and their drivers) nearly every time I pass them on the road...even more so when they try to race me (gulp...gosh I'm scared)...lol
For the few that use them as intended - OK...for all the other fools (like you can't get cup holders in a minivan? c'mon!)...I have n respect for the foolish sheep...and their true driving experience---like driving a delivery truck...I mean come now...even the immitation SUVs (car based - just raised up a bit...) - still...they are not safe IMO - and they still cannot compete with a CAR! - which is where its at....
I get these Nissan FX45/35s, and various Lexus, Acura and what have you car/SUVs try to race my Audi all the time...I ussually let them get a few lengths ahead - make them feel like they are a racer for a few secs...then I blow by them as if they are completley standing still (and there is a certain satisfaction in that I must admit...and any excuse to stomp it of course)...and we haven't even started talking twisties/back roads...where things get even worse..and I probably take my Audi...sh*t my Mustang on more mud & (certainly) dirt roads in any given year then they do for the life of the....truck....(yeah - there I said it...)
For the few that use them as intended - OK...for all the other fools (like you can't get cup holders in a minivan? c'mon!)...I have n respect for the foolish sheep...and their true driving experience---like driving a delivery truck...I mean come now...even the immitation SUVs (car based - just raised up a bit...) - still...they are not safe IMO - and they still cannot compete with a CAR! - which is where its at....
I get these Nissan FX45/35s, and various Lexus, Acura and what have you car/SUVs try to race my Audi all the time...I ussually let them get a few lengths ahead - make them feel like they are a racer for a few secs...then I blow by them as if they are completley standing still (and there is a certain satisfaction in that I must admit...and any excuse to stomp it of course)...and we haven't even started talking twisties/back roads...where things get even worse..and I probably take my Audi...sh*t my Mustang on more mud & (certainly) dirt roads in any given year then they do for the life of the....truck....(yeah - there I said it...)
dzervit said:
Bah!! 15MPG, $60 fill-ups & you still can't wipe the smile off my face driving this:
I call it the 'BMW of Trucks'. I guess if gas was $0.05/gal, it'd be supercharger time!![[clap]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
I call it the 'BMW of Trucks'. I guess if gas was $0.05/gal, it'd be supercharger time!
Yeah, I'd have a hard time hauling 3500-4000 lbs in my M3, so I'll just look "stupid" in my F350
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Oh, and if you would like to immediately lower gas prices, suspend about 60 cents per gallon of TAXES on it.
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Don't get us wrong, I was just hating on the H2. I think SUV's and pickup trucks are GREAT if you have a use for them. I just hate all the idiots who buy SUV's and pickups and have absolutely no use for them at all. I went through a 99 MB ML430 and a 02 ML500 in high school (we still have the ML500) and my brother has a 03 Lex RX300 (he just finished HS). Both of these SUV's are great and we have uses for them!! Utility vehicles are great as long as you take use of its UTILITY!!!!!!!!!!!
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The problem with comparing different gas prices around the world is that they are different economies. A price increase in the US to those levels of places in Europe would have a very significant and devastating effect on our economy. It would cause too much money to be shifted from other areas and would devastate non-energy sectors.
Whereas a price drop in Europe to US levels would create a surge in other sectors there. It is dangerous to play with a balance of respective economies too much because they tend to have reached a balance within each economy. (i.e. Europeans are not homeless and starving because gas is $5-6.00 but many Americans would/could with that big of a change here)
Whereas a price drop in Europe to US levels would create a surge in other sectors there. It is dangerous to play with a balance of respective economies too much because they tend to have reached a balance within each economy. (i.e. Europeans are not homeless and starving because gas is $5-6.00 but many Americans would/could with that big of a change here)
Same reason as to why the gas prices in Iraq are too low based on what is stated in the article. Now a lot of people are becoming Taxi drivers due to the low prices. The really bad part is, that once we leave Iraq, the gas prices there will probably surge to $1.50 or more, and then they will just blame us for that as well. What's next, are we going to give them all life time health insurance to?
This is my point I always make with SUV owners. Before this SUV 'craze', everyone owned wagons, or a big truck to haul things.. Whoever decided that jacking up a grocery getter into the air and selling it (SUVs!) was a good idea, should get a hole drilled in their heads (let some clear air seep in..)
If you have to haul stuff - boat, trailer, materials, what have you.. Own a frigging truck, nothing wrong with that. If you're hauling alot of 'people', or a mix of the 2, get a Wagon!! Don't get a SUV, don't fall for it, have a bit of sense! The only viable need for a SUV would be where the terrain actually calls for it, and you need the security of having a roof vs the open end of a truck(Well shucks, isn't that a wagon??). 4x4's were on trucks long before SUV's (hell wagons too, suburu 4x4 wagons ROCK!).. Wagons hold as much if not more than SUVs (Really!! Go measure yourself!!). So why get them again??
They are unsafe (partial to rolling has always been a SUV's downfall), dangerous to other drivers due to the blind spots they cause on the road(and to themselves), poor gas milage, they don't hold value as well as other vehicles (rightly so).. They are certainly more dangerous to others around them if they 'do' get into an accident. They ride so high, you're putting the bumper into someones window usually, or worse they slide under you (thus launching your already unstable vehicle into the air!).
The original SUV's were not even the monsters on the road today.. The old Bronco and Bronco II's, no matter how unsafe they were, you knew they were meant for getting off the road, and people that owned them did. Try that in 90% of today's SUV market, and you'll be in the shop sooner than you can blink an eye.
Ok, SUV rant over. Seriously though no bad feelings towards SUV owners, I suspect many followed the 'clicke' and purchased one thinking they'd have a real use for it (or just got it because it's the 'in' vehicle). Some actually do use them for intended purposes, and I applaud them, albeit I'd still suggest getting a wagon..
Hell my wife had one when we met. Still does, but she's over it and agrees - she is ready for a wagon! whew!!
*tossing on flame retardant suit*
If you have to haul stuff - boat, trailer, materials, what have you.. Own a frigging truck, nothing wrong with that. If you're hauling alot of 'people', or a mix of the 2, get a Wagon!! Don't get a SUV, don't fall for it, have a bit of sense! The only viable need for a SUV would be where the terrain actually calls for it, and you need the security of having a roof vs the open end of a truck(Well shucks, isn't that a wagon??). 4x4's were on trucks long before SUV's (hell wagons too, suburu 4x4 wagons ROCK!).. Wagons hold as much if not more than SUVs (Really!! Go measure yourself!!). So why get them again??
They are unsafe (partial to rolling has always been a SUV's downfall), dangerous to other drivers due to the blind spots they cause on the road(and to themselves), poor gas milage, they don't hold value as well as other vehicles (rightly so).. They are certainly more dangerous to others around them if they 'do' get into an accident. They ride so high, you're putting the bumper into someones window usually, or worse they slide under you (thus launching your already unstable vehicle into the air!).
The original SUV's were not even the monsters on the road today.. The old Bronco and Bronco II's, no matter how unsafe they were, you knew they were meant for getting off the road, and people that owned them did. Try that in 90% of today's SUV market, and you'll be in the shop sooner than you can blink an eye.
Ok, SUV rant over. Seriously though no bad feelings towards SUV owners, I suspect many followed the 'clicke' and purchased one thinking they'd have a real use for it (or just got it because it's the 'in' vehicle). Some actually do use them for intended purposes, and I applaud them, albeit I'd still suggest getting a wagon..
Hell my wife had one when we met. Still does, but she's over it and agrees - she is ready for a wagon! whew!! *tossing on flame retardant suit*
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from that article:
Iraq has no sales tax, no registration, no license plates and no auto insurance. Some would argue there are no rules of the road. Cars barrel the wrong way on the highway. They swoop into surprise U-turns. They ignore traffic signals.
Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can't last forever — and Iraqis may be in for an unpleasant shock when they end. In the meantime, however, the American taxpayer continues to foot a huge bill.
"The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be a hell of a hangover."
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Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair, because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 per year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage.
Like any third world country firmly attached to the American teat, there will be endless whining when we cut off the aid. They'll say it isn't "fair"....LOL
Iraq has no sales tax, no registration, no license plates and no auto insurance. Some would argue there are no rules of the road. Cars barrel the wrong way on the highway. They swoop into surprise U-turns. They ignore traffic signals.
Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can't last forever — and Iraqis may be in for an unpleasant shock when they end. In the meantime, however, the American taxpayer continues to foot a huge bill.
"The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be a hell of a hangover."
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Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair, because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 per year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage.
Like any third world country firmly attached to the American teat, there will be endless whining when we cut off the aid. They'll say it isn't "fair"....LOL
Well the thing I like about SUV's over minivans and station wagons is that SUV's don't look as utilitarian as them. For example, there is NO way in hell you'll see me driving around in a station wagon or mini-van, but a lot of SUV's actually look good. They just don't look boring or utilitarian at all, as opposed to station wagons and minivans. And don't preach to me about minivans, we went through four generations of Chrysler minivans, I am well aware of their pros and cons. ![[;)]](/images/smilies/wink.png "Wink [;)]")
Boy did I stir up some sheet. You guys really hate folks that buy big gas guzzlers for no reason huh? To each his own!! Personally, I hate people that buy them & then whine about the gas prices! Well dur it cost more to operate!!
On a side note, I hate the H2 since it is completely worthless compared to the original HUMVEE. Why pay 50k+ for a re-hashed Suburban?! C'mon people, open your eyes!!! The H2 is a joke!!!! GM execs are laughing all the way to the shareholders meeting...
On a side note, I hate the H2 since it is completely worthless compared to the original HUMVEE. Why pay 50k+ for a re-hashed Suburban?! C'mon people, open your eyes!!! The H2 is a joke!!!! GM execs are laughing all the way to the shareholders meeting...
Here's exactly what I hate:
I hate people who buy H2's. Period...no exception at all. If you own an H2, you are brain-dead to me.
I hate people who buy any big SUV (i.e. Navigator, Escalade, etc.) and put 20"+ rims on it....nobody cares about your rimmed-out Escalade....so many people have Escalades with rims that it got played out sooo quick. And if you notice, the people who do this are too stupid to upgrade their brakes...20"+ rims are HEAVY and add a lot of rolling mass to the car. It hurts acceleration, and it hurts breaking even more.
I hate people who buy SUV's for status.
I hate people who buy H2's. Period...no exception at all. If you own an H2, you are brain-dead to me.
I hate people who buy any big SUV (i.e. Navigator, Escalade, etc.) and put 20"+ rims on it....nobody cares about your rimmed-out Escalade....so many people have Escalades with rims that it got played out sooo quick. And if you notice, the people who do this are too stupid to upgrade their brakes...20"+ rims are HEAVY and add a lot of rolling mass to the car. It hurts acceleration, and it hurts breaking even more.
I hate people who buy SUV's for status.
I'm one of the assholes that owns the "Big Daddy" of SUVs - a '95 Suburban 4x4. I'm not trying to start a flame war, just emphatically presenting my viewpoint (somebody has to stand up for the SUV owners, hehe!):
I haul a "mix of the 2" as you call it. Explain to me what Wagon will pull a 3500 lb trailer and hold 6 people plus luggage, AND NOT BE OVERLOADED?
I've also, in the same day, carried eight 4' x 8' sheets of plywood, plus 2x4s, and then later that day transported 8 adults. Again, what Wagon or pickup truck would do that?
In the winter, the 'burban has been used several times to carpool 5 - 6 hospital workers to work during a blizzard with 18" of unplowed snow. My wife drove 35 miles so she could be on call for 30 hours during the blizzard - unplowed roads all the way. Doctors 5 miles from the hospital failed to show up because they couldn't get through. Subaru 4x4 wagons were useless, the 'burban laughed at the snow, and helped staff the hospital. Would it be OK with you if your loved one went to the hospital for an injury (i.e. snow blower accident) but was told "We have no doctors - they couldn't get thru the snow. Go die in the corner."
Pickup trucks are partial to spinning out because of the light rear end. A trade off - roll over or spin out. All full size SUVs are based on a pickup chassis - ride height is the same, so how can you criticize SUVs about ride height accidents but you recommend pickups??
My point is that full size SUVs have their place, and to arbitrarily judge someone who drives one is myopic - Isn't it the same as someone saying that all BMW drivers are corporate ladder climbing asshole yuppies who buy BMWs as a status symbol?
The SUV driver you scowl at on the road could be a doctor, nurse, paramedic, volunteer firefighter, plow truck driver, etc. who has valid need for a full size, high clearance SUV.
By the way, the Suburban is the original 4x4 sport utility vehicle. It has been around since the 1930s. Jeep was 2nd, Bronco came MUCH later in the '60s.
I haul a "mix of the 2" as you call it. Explain to me what Wagon will pull a 3500 lb trailer and hold 6 people plus luggage, AND NOT BE OVERLOADED?
I've also, in the same day, carried eight 4' x 8' sheets of plywood, plus 2x4s, and then later that day transported 8 adults. Again, what Wagon or pickup truck would do that?
In the winter, the 'burban has been used several times to carpool 5 - 6 hospital workers to work during a blizzard with 18" of unplowed snow. My wife drove 35 miles so she could be on call for 30 hours during the blizzard - unplowed roads all the way. Doctors 5 miles from the hospital failed to show up because they couldn't get through. Subaru 4x4 wagons were useless, the 'burban laughed at the snow, and helped staff the hospital. Would it be OK with you if your loved one went to the hospital for an injury (i.e. snow blower accident) but was told "We have no doctors - they couldn't get thru the snow. Go die in the corner."
Pickup trucks are partial to spinning out because of the light rear end. A trade off - roll over or spin out. All full size SUVs are based on a pickup chassis - ride height is the same, so how can you criticize SUVs about ride height accidents but you recommend pickups??
My point is that full size SUVs have their place, and to arbitrarily judge someone who drives one is myopic - Isn't it the same as someone saying that all BMW drivers are corporate ladder climbing asshole yuppies who buy BMWs as a status symbol?
The SUV driver you scowl at on the road could be a doctor, nurse, paramedic, volunteer firefighter, plow truck driver, etc. who has valid need for a full size, high clearance SUV.
By the way, the Suburban is the original 4x4 sport utility vehicle. It has been around since the 1930s. Jeep was 2nd, Bronco came MUCH later in the '60s.