Rear Mounted Turbo - The future of turbo installs?

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While looking at powertrain options for my FireChicken (hehe, Pontiac Firebird) restoration project, I came across Squires Turbo Systems REAR mounted turbo. They install the turbo at the REAR AXLE, getting rid of heat and space issues under the hood. Right now, they are GM-centric, but they are working on a Honda Kit.

Some "experts" think this will be adopted in the future by the car manufacturers. Squires does have a patent on this, could be a good money maker for them.

http://www.ststurbo.com/remote_mounting___
 

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That is a very creative setup, but I agree the intake needs to be designed better to safeguard against dirt and water.
 
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Hello, folks Happy New year.

I see plenty of problems along with the poor CAI location. what about head loss both for the exhaust to run the turbo and head loss to pipe back to the engine ? Look at all those elbow turns to get back to the engine. looks to me like a novelty.
 

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Not only would you have problems with the intake, but with that kind of distance between the turbo and the motor, you'd be facing some SERIOUS lag issues.
 
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Tom said:
That is a very creative setup, but I agree the intake needs to be designed better to safeguard against dirt and water.
dirt...water........... ROADKILL.

can you imagine your entire turbo setup getting crunked because of a rock in the road or something you just can't avoid. i'll hide mine under the hood thank you.
 
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Here is what the FAQ says, they claim to address these issues:

If water hits the hot turbo, will it crack?

Seems like it might when you first think about it, however, when I asked the Garrett engineers this questions they just laughed. There is a big difference in water splashing on a hot turbo and submerging it in enough water and fast enough to really cool it down fast. Both the new turbocharged Vette systems and the new Porsche systems sit the turbo down low and exposed to water and anything else that goes under a car.

Plus, our turbos just don't get that hot and when weather conditions are such that there is a lot of water around, you can't push enough boost to get the turbo hot anyway because you'd just spin the tires.

With the turbo so far back, don't you get a lot of turbo lag?

No, our turbochargers are sized to operate at this remote location. Just like any turbocharger, once the turbo is up to temperature and in the rpm range for which it was designed to operate. The boost comes on hard and fast. All of our systems will produce full boost below 3000 rpm.
If you were to take a conventional turbo and place it at the rear, you would have lots of lag and consequently, our turbo wouldn't work properly if mounted up front.


With so long of intake and exhaust tubes, doesn't it take a while for the boost to build up?

No, our intake tubing volume is about the same as most conventional turbo setups that are running a front mounted intercooler, and less than many of them that run large intercoolers. We aren't talking about a small compressor filling up a large air tank, we are talking about a huge compressor filling up a very small volume which only takes a fraction of a second. Our systems compress the intake tubing in about .05 seconds. So much for turbo lag...


Doesn't water get into your engine with the filter mounted down low?

No, even under very wet conditions the filter sheds most all water. Every kit includes a K&N PreCharger which is a "sock" that protects the filter under very dusty or wet conditions. The only thing you don't want to do is completely submerge the filter. This would draw water through the filter and into the intake tubing. For most vehicles that would mean you would have water coming in your doors before you'd have a problem with the turbo's air filter.





Claimed benefits:
Benefits of Remote Mounting


* Ease of installation. STS turbo systems can be installed in 4-6 hours with standard tools and average mechanical ability.
* Performance Sound. The turbo acts as a muffler and sounds like an aftermarket performance muffler. Turbo spool and rushing air from the blow-off valve make a unique sound that will turn heads!
* No need for major modifications to your vehicle. STS systems are designed to bolt on using factory mounts without cutting or modifying your vehicle.
* Increased gas mileage. Unlike a belt driven supercharger, the turbo utilizes "wasted" energy leaving your tailpipe. Most of our customers get 2-4 mpg increase in gas mileage.
* Lower underhood temperatures. No need to worry about melting wires, hoses, or other components.
* Easily converts back to stock in less than an hour.
* More room under the hood. Future repair work or modifications will not require the expense of removing the turbo system to allow access to any of the engine components.
* Cooler oil to the turbo. Cool oil is better for both the turbo and engine.
* Approximately 500F lower turbo temperatures. Eliminates the need for a turbo-timer, which allows the engine to run after the car is shut off in order to cool down the turbo and prevent oil and bearing damage.
* Denser exhaust gasses drive the turbo turbine wheel more efficiently.
* Built-in intercooling. Intake piping provides ~50% intercooler efficiency. There is no need for the expense, pressure drop, and installation problems associated with a front mounted intercooler.
* Turbo is exposed to ambient air rather than underhood air. Allows for better cooling of turbo components.
* No need for expensive headers, mufflers, or exhaust systems.
* Turbo is closer to the tail pipe outlet. Provides a better pressure differential across the turbine wheel which promotes better flow across turbine.
* Better weight transfer. Increases traction because the bulk of system is mounted in rear of vehicle rather than up front.
* Less noise in the passenger compartment.
* Quieter wastegates, especially if vented to atmosphere.
* Better engine cooling capacity.
 
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it doesnt seem practical at all, i would have to see it first hand to be able to buy it. the only place it seems practical is at the track/dragstrip where there are not alot of bumps and its only (usually) being run in dry conditions. and even with a K&N (wet filter system), when it gets water on it, it kills its ability to absorb dirt and other crap, thats why when you clean your K&N, it has to be 100% dry before oiling and installing it.
 
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very interesting. but of course the manufac would state exactly what you quoted them on. if it works great and runs trouble free, no probolemo! otherwise, speculate on!
 
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I propose a solution to the Air Intake issue -

How about piping the CAI up thru the trunk floor and put a combination wing and air scoop on the trunk lid? [rofl]
 

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Kirby...it sure doesn't sound like that FAQ was written by an engineer, so I'd still question the answers given, especially about "being submerged in water". I had a catalytic converter heat shield get ripped off by going no more than 15 mph through a pretty large puddle. I'd still be concerned. Plus, I believe porsches have plastic guards under the engine where the moving parts are to prevent rocks and etc. from hitting the harmonic balancer and other stuff.
 


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