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"During tests at the famous Nürburgring Nordschleife circuit, the new M6 regularly clocked
eight minute lap times."

That’s what a Ferrari Enzo runs on a nice day!
 
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5.0-litre V10 engine producing 507bhp
Seven-speed SMG (personally programmable)
Lightweight body panels including carbon fibre roof
0 – 62mph in 4.6 seconds / 62 – 0 in 36 metres
155mph limited top speed
MDrive Manager control settings

I pray they release a CSL version.
 
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bmw046series said:
"During tests at the famous Nürburgring Nordschleife circuit, the new M6 regularly clocked
eight minute lap times."

That’s what a Ferrari Enzo runs on a nice day!
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That's not too impressive. The Ring Taxi bitch in her E39 M5 can do the Nurburgring in 7'40" on average. Either this car lacks in the handling department or we need to get that girl behind the wheel of the M6.
 
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That's not too impressive. The Ring Taxi bitch in her E39 M5 can do the Nurburgring in 7'40" on average. Either this car lacks in the handling department or we need to get that girl behind the wheel of the M6.
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LOL to "the Ring Taxi Bitch" and I agree that an 8 minute lap time round the Nurburgring is nothing special for a car like an M6. But if it's an 8 minute average then that's something special.

But there is no way the E39 M5 does that lap in 7 mins 40 sec. That's Porsche GT2/GT3-RS territory. The E39 M5 is being pushed incredibly hard to get to the 8 min barrier.
 
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Hmmm, maybe it's 8'40" average. If that's the case for the M5, then I certainly am impressed with the M6. I'm still kind of shady on the 6's handling. I've read/watched reviews of the new 645 and they all said it handles really good/well but they never comment that it's "great" and they specifically state that the car is setup to be comfortable and luxurious and shit. I'm sure it's still a BMW and all, but I expect this M6 to handle better than the E46 M3 simply because it's a newer car with newer technology going into its construction, from the ground up. Is this an unreasonable expectation?
 
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the M6 to be faster around the Nurburgring than the E46 M3. I think the same too. If the M6 is averaging 8min laps then it's obviously a pretty swift motorcar.

Having said that, I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that the M6 lacks the really hard edge of, say, a Porsche 911 in terms of outright handling. It's a big, heavy car and weight is the killer of any car's outright handling/times. BMW have gone soft recently and I seriously doubt the M6 is going to offer the driver involvement of cars such as the E30, the E34 M5, E46 M3 etc. The fact that the new ///M BMWs are offered only with SMG is just the shitty beginning if you ask me.

Regarding the E39 M5, I think it's fastest time around the 'Ring is 8'14" which is pretty f@cking fast for a sedan if you ask me! The new one will undoubtedly be quicker but will it be better? I doubt it. Same goes for the M6. Hopefully, BMW can prove me very wrong. But I don't think they will.
 
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Chesty Bonds said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the M6 to be faster around the Nurburgring than the E46 M3. I think the same too. If the M6 is averaging 8min laps then it's obviously a pretty swift motorcar.

Having said that, I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that the M6 lacks the really hard edge of, say, a Porsche 911 in terms of outright handling. It's a big, heavy car and weight is the killer of any car's outright handling/times. BMW have gone soft recently and I seriously doubt the M6 is going to offer the driver involvement of cars such as the E30, the E34 M5, E46 M3 etc. The fact that the new ///M BMWs are offered only with SMG is just the shitty beginning if you ask me.

Regarding the E39 M5, I think it's fastest time around the 'Ring is 8'14" which is pretty f@cking fast for a sedan if you ask me! The new one will undoubtedly be quicker but will it be better? I doubt it. Same goes for the M6. Hopefully, BMW can prove me very wrong. But I don't think they will.
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I think the performance of the new cars will be great. The SMG transmission in the cars will handle the power perfectly all the time and will make you a better driver. It will allow you to drive the car faster. I really am getting used to and loving the new 5 and the new M5 and the new M6.
 
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The SMG transmission in the cars will handle the power perfectly all the time and will make you a better driver. It will allow you to drive the car faster.
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See this is what gets me so f-cking cut! This is so not the point of driving. It's like the CDV on my mum's 325i, it's just another example of inhibiting the driving enjoyment that you get with a real car, not a piece of computer hardware.

Obviously we have different opinions but I just don't see how an SMG is better than a manual for a real driver. I'm not content to sit there pulling a freaking paddle.
 
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I think the performance of the new cars will be great. The SMG transmission in the cars will handle the power perfectly all the time and will make you a better driver. It will allow you to drive the car faster. I really am getting used to and loving the new 5 and the new M5 and the new M6.
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Make you a better driver? You dont know what you're talking about. SMG is the same as automatic, esp in bmw's with the shift lights. Mash the gas, and push the button (paddle) when the lights tell you too. Sounds real skillful [nono] [nono] [nono] [nono]
 
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Yeah SMG just cannot match the tactile delights of swapping the cogs yourself.
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Maybe so (I am a die-hard 3 pedal man myself), but it’s not like you make it sound out to be. Drive it on a regular basis. It is better than you think or think you know. You need to get over the whole SMG/Manual aspect of it. BMW is not going away with it.

I am tired of hearing people (most who never even driven one once or over a month) bashing the gearbox. There is a reason F1, Ferrari, BMW, etc... are going to this technology. The car can be driven faster "at speed" with this type of "manual" (not an automatic) gearbox than a typical 3-pedal manual can.

SMG is fast as hell at shifting. My ///M will flat give you whiplash during a high-speed shift. Setting 6 on the SMG II is lightning quick. Emile is right, it can make you a better driver....
 
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Make you a better driver? You dont know what you're talking about. SMG is the same as automatic, esp in bmw's with the shift lights. Mash the gas, and push the button (paddle) when the lights tell you too. Sounds real skillful [nono] [nono] [nono] [nono]
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BS! You don't know what you are talking about. It takes a lot of skill to drive that car. An M3 or any car that has an SMG II or above takes a lot of skill to drive the car fast whether it is equipped with SMG or not.

The car is not for the weak at heart. Just because one has to "push left foot pedal to floor, shift shift lever through 3rd gear gate, release left foot pedal" does not make it harder to drive. I find it easer to drive a 3-pedal gearbox than the SMG.
 
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The car is not for the weak at heart. Just because one has to "push left foot pedal to floor, shift shift lever through 3rd gear gate, release left foot pedal" does not make it harder to drive. I find it easer to drive a 3-pedal gearbox than the SMG.
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You are missing the point so drastically it isn't funny. There is more to nailing that perfect gearshift with a manual 'box than the 'description' you just gave us. How do you nail the perfect gearshift in an SMG? Pull a paddle? I'd love to see you drive an M3 manual and SMG back to back (like I did a week ago) and get smooth, fast gearshifts in the manual version. Come to think of it, the SMG was decidedly rough and uninspiring when I drove it - I think that had a lot to do with the fact that I wasn't really doing anything in that car: I wasn't involved in making the car fast. Little bits of silicon did it for me!
 
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Are you telling me what I do and don't know now?
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I am talking about SMG II and if that is how you are taking it then....

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You are missing the point so drastically it isn't funny. There is more to nailing that perfect gearshift with a manual 'box than the 'description' you just gave us. How do you nail the perfect gearshift in an SMG? Pull a paddle? I'd love to see you drive an M3 manual and SMG back to back (like I did a week ago) and get smooth, fast gearshifts in the manual version. Come to think of it, the SMG was decidedly rough and uninspiring when I drove it - I think that had a lot to do with the fact that I wasn't really doing anything in that car: I wasn't involved in making the car fast. Little bits of silicon did it for me!
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I have driven both exstisively (i.e longer than one day) and do not find a non-SMG M to hard to drive (my best friend has a non-SMG vert that I drive all the time. Hell I think I drive the car more than he does).

The reason you find it rough and uninspiring is because you have to get use to the SMG. You don't learn or get use to it in one day.
 
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Chesty Bonds said:
You are missing the point so drastically it isn't funny. There is more to nailing that perfect gearshift with a manual 'box than the 'description' you just gave us. How do you nail the perfect gearshift in an SMG? Pull a paddle? I'd love to see you drive an M3 manual and SMG back to back (like I did a week ago) and get smooth, fast gearshifts in the manual version. Come to think of it, the SMG was decidedly rough and uninspiring when I drove it - I think that had a lot to do with the fact that I wasn't really doing anything in that car: I wasn't involved in making the car fast. Little bits of silicon did it for me!
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That is my point. On the racetrack, the SMG system is perfect, people are not. People cannot be constantly perfect with their shifts. Sure, practice makes perfect, but people are not perfect...we make mistakes. Don't forget that SMG not only does perfect shifts for you all the time, it allows you to downshift-and-brake with ease. In terms of the driving experience, I would rather have a manual. But if I'm on a race track, give me SMG any day.

Also, do not forget that the M5 and M6 are very expensive cars. Business people are the ones who will most likely buy it. These people will appreciate SMG's perfection on the track, and its ease of use when getting to work and back in annoying weekly traffic (lack of a clutch makes it much easier in traffic and on a daily basis and in city driving).
 
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