///M X5 hint dropped by ///M division chief

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JENS MEINERS | Automotive News Europe
Posted Date: 5/17/05
MUNICH – BMW could expand its M range of high-performance cars into SUVs and other models.

The X5 and X3 premium SUV models are possible contenders for new M variants, as are the 5 Series station wagon and the Z4 roadster.

Extending the M range would spell the end of the purist approach that the M division has followed since it launched its first car, the 1978 M1. This was a supercar co-developed with Lamborghini and styled by Italdesign Giugiaro.

Currently, BMW sells the M3, M5 and M6.

“We have great potential to go into new segments with M models,” said M division CEO Ulrich Bruhnke.

Bruhnke said the success of the X3 and X5 SUVs shows that BMW can break out of its traditional segments.

No M badge for 1 Series

“If we were asked to do such a model [an M-badged SUV], I am convinced we could do it,” he said.

Bruhnke feels there is room at the top of the X5 range for an M model. The current high-performance model would not be considered for an M-badge, he said.

An M-version of the 1 Series is unlikely, because it is not offered in the U.S., where half of BMW’s M models are sold, Bruhnke said.

Even with an expansion of the lineup, an M model will never be just a higher-powered BMW, said Bruhnke.

“We don’t do labeling. M models cannot be just a variation. Handling and dynamic behavior are as important as linear acceleration,” he said.

BMW’s M division employs 500 people. Between 1978 and 2004, BMW built 228,454 M models. More than 70 percent were M3 cars.

The company does not disclose the M division’s profitability. But making a profit is not the only reason for the unit’s existence.

It gives BMW cars that highlight the automaker’s core value, which is to build cars that deliver performance and agile handling.

M models also serve as a test platform for new technologies, such as carbon-fiber applications:

“We are a small experimental field for BMW,” said Bruhnke.

Bruhnke, 50, took over BMW’s M unit in December 2003 after previous head Adolf Prommesberger retired. Earlier, Bruhnke ran Mercedes-Benz’s AMG high-performance division, where he raised AMG’s sales to 24,000 units from 10,500.

BMW has not yet decided how to expand the M range. Said Bruhnke: “It’s very comfortable to have more ideas than capacity.”

A broadening of the M range could also eventually lead to a future mid-engined supercar in the tradition of the M1, Bruhnke said.

BMW displayed a 700hp V-12 concept X5 at the Geneva auto show in 2000. Said Bruhnke: “This showed what an M car based on the X5 could look like.”
 
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Eh, this article is kinda shady. BMW already set out to make an M version of the X5 and they ended up with the 4.6is. They didn't call it an M car because it still didn't meet the M division's standards of acceleration, handling, and breaking. Notice how the 4.6is/4.8is has the variable-rpm redline just like the other M cars.
 
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Yeah I would be slightly disappointed if BMW chose to expand ///M so extensively...

But I suppose they know what they're doing, it's just that it seems to dilute the 'specialness' of the brand.
 
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i thought they were gonna make the m version of the 1er, and call it m2. since it is sooo much like the 2002...

so is this like the whole 3/4 series deal? will it just vanish, or will it stick around?
 
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I think what they are saying is that since they don't make a 1er for the US market YET, there will be no ///M 1er at this time. But they have said that the 1er sedan/coupe will come to the US.

Roundel mentions in an article that a BMW board member hinted about a ///M 1 series, and that IF they build it, it would only make sense to be AWD.

Put some pieces together, think about this:

- They have said that hatchbacks don't sell in the US, but they will bring the 1er sedan/coupe
- They are working hard on an AWD Mini using a new Getrag drive system
- When the new ///M3 ships with a V8, they have capacity to build ///M I6 engines
- They have said that they are developing twin turbo technology for the I6

Put it all together and what do you have?

///M 130xi - 343 hp AWD BMW pocket rocket looking at Mitisi Evos and WRX STis in the rear view mirror!!!
 

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Kirby said:
I think what they are saying is that since they don't make a 1er for the US market YET, there will be no ///M 1er at this time. But they have said that the 1er sedan/coupe will come to the US.

Roundel mentions in an article that a BMW board member hinted about a ///M 1 series, and that IF they build it, it would only make sense to be AWD.

Put some pieces together, think about this:

- They have said that hatchbacks don't sell in the US, but they will bring the 1er sedan/coupe
- They are working hard on an AWD Mini using a new Getrag drive system
- When the new ///M3 ships with a V8, they have capacity to build ///M I6 engines
- They have said that they are developing twin turbo technology for the I6

Put it all together and what do you have?

///M 130xi - 343 hp AWD BMW pocket rocket looking at Mitisi Evos and WRX STis in the rear view mirror!!!

Well said Kirby, I concur with your conculsions!
 
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MrElussive said:
Eh, this article is kinda shady. BMW already set out to make an M version of the X5 and they ended up with the 4.6is. They didn't call it an M car because it still didn't meet the M division's standards of acceleration, handling, and breaking. Notice how the 4.6is/4.8is has the variable-rpm redline just like the other M cars.
I think the story with the X5 4.8is is the same like the 850Csi except there is an actuall M engine in the Csi, but why did they ended up with 850Csi anyway...I have no idea.

BMW does some weird things sometimes. [idea]
 
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Another reason why the X5 4.6/4.8is is not an M car is because it is AWD (M cars must be RWD, according to BMW).

Ultimately, BMW may be taking a good step to compete with the Mercedes AMG cars by expanding the M car lineup. But at the same time, this could water down the M cars and what they stand for. All of the Mercedes AMG cars are over-hyped. They just take a typical Mercedes and throw a huge V8 under the hood. Yeah, they give you better suspension tuning and stronger brakes but they drive completely like a normal Mercedes. The engine is quiet, you get auto trans in all the cars, the power delivery is smooth and gentle, the ride is extremely comfortable, and the brake feel is of typical Mercedes standards.

Case in point: the AMG cars just look cool and make the owners feel special, and they go fast. You get an M car if you want to DRIVE.
 
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MrElussive said:
Another reason why the X5 4.6/4.8is is not an M car is because it is AWD (M cars must be RWD, according to BMW).

Ultimately, BMW may be taking a good step to compete with the Mercedes AMG cars by expanding the M car lineup. But at the same time, this could water down the M cars and what they stand for. All of the Mercedes AMG cars are over-hyped. They just take a typical Mercedes and throw a huge V8 under the hood. Yeah, they give you better suspension tuning and stronger brakes but they drive completely like a normal Mercedes. The engine is quiet, you get auto trans in all the cars, the power delivery is smooth and gentle, the ride is extremely comfortable, and the brake feel is of typical Mercedes standards.

Case in point: the AMG cars just look cool and make the owners feel special, and they go fast. You get an M car if you want to DRIVE.
That is so right it isn't funny. I love the way Merc shoehorn a huge engine into their cars and slap an AMG badge on it. IMO, if BMW made an M X5 this would be tantamount to the same thing and should be avoided. The ///M cars should always be something special, and not just an image or brand enhancing thing.
 


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