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DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F - news), bowing to pressure from General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - news) and hoping to end a long losing streak, said on Tuesday it was matching the big consumer incentives program that delivered blockbuster sales for GM last month.

Ford announced its new marketing campaign just hours after GM said it was extending its "Employee Discount for Everyone" deals through Aug. 1.

The Chrysler arm of DaimlerChrysler (NYSE:DCX - news) (DCXGn.DE) is expected on Wednesday to also match the GM program, as it too responds to marketplace pressures brought on by the world's largest automaker.

The GM move was widely expected and set the stage for another intensification of Detroit's long-running price war. Under the program, which was launched last month and due to expire July 5, GM is selling anybody a 2005 model car or truck at the same low price that GM employees pay.

Ford spokesman David Reuter said the "Ford Family Plan" -- which takes effect on Wednesday and will also run through Aug. 1 -- would be similar to GM's and shave thousands of dollars off the sticker prices of most 2005 models.

The GM program, which resonated with consumers, drove the automaker's June sales up 41 percent and delivered the company its best sales month in almost 19 years.

Ford's sales fell for the 13th straight month, meanwhile, and it can ill afford not to remain competitive with its larger, cross-town rival.

"We are going to advertise this widely in a huge, significant way throughout the month," said Reuter, the Ford spokesman. "It's pretty clear from what GM has done that customers like a great deal delivered in a very simple, clear way."

Ford's only hot-selling car, the all-new Mustang, will not be included in the "Family Plan" program, Reuter said. Gas-electric hybrid versions of its Escape sport utility vehicle are also excluded.

GM's program resonated with consumers because of its simplicity and because it eliminated the haggling over prices that many consumers dread.

"Customers like the one-price, no-haggle aspect of the program and continue to respond to it," said Jane Liu, vice president of data analysis at industry tracking firm Edmunds.com.

But selling cars by slashing thousands of dollars off their invoice prices is not without costs, and it can damage any brand's residual values.

SHRINKING PROFITS

Paul Ballew, GM's head of global market and industry analysis, told reporters and analysts on a conference call last Friday that GM's cost of incentives was flat or up only slightly in June compared to May.

But Autodata Corp. of Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey, said GM's June incentives increased about 11 percent over the previous month to an industry-leading average of $4,458 per vehicle.

According to Autodata's incentive numbers, it cost GM more than $250 million to sell the 558,092 vehicles it sold in June than it would have at May's incentive levels.

"This is just going to lead to lower sticker prices in general," Autodata's Dave Lucas said of GM's program and the mounting pressure on other automakers to match it.

"This will have ramifications across even the Japanese," Lucas added. "They certainly will feel the pressure."

Edmunds.com, disputing Autodata's calculations, said GM's June incentives had only increased 3.6 percent over May.

Merrill Lynch analyst John Casesa said on Tuesday that GM's employee discounts may well have been a "financial home run" for the automaker after its first-quarter loss of $1.1 billion.

He cautioned, however, that the full impact of the GM program would have to take into account the impact on sales and margins in the future.

"The everyday low price strategy should be an easy one for competitors to copy," Casesa wrote in a research note.

"And when they do, we fear that Detroit will have once again simply set a lower price level for all its products going forward, lowering the structural profitability of the industry," he said.


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I read in BusinessWeek between the two companies they have over $23 Billion dollars in cash, wheea thats more than all the Japanese brands combined.
 
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General Ford. GF, or can be just Go F something or another [;)]

just curious, if two people that can't swim jump in the water together, does the increase their chance of survial?
 
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In the WSJ today, they said other auto manufactures sold more cars as well. Theory is GM started people thinking about buying a new car, not necessarily a GM car. Don't know if BMW sold any more cars though. I think they meant the Detroit 3.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run. A few years back 0% financing was introduced, now car buyers expect low intrest rates when purchasing new vehicles.

Will we expect low prices on all our cars from now on and in the future?

I don't know if it was a good idea for Ford to jump on the bandwagon. [idea]
 

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General Ford. GF, or can be just Go F something or another [;)]

just curious, if two people that can't swim jump in the water together, does the increase their chance of survial?
Probably increases the overall death rate...
 
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There was a 41% increase in sales for GM because of this campaign. They are actually making money because of finance and leasing from the GMAC arm. So sad that you are not make money on the car itself. Because of the huge profits there is no incentive to make a better car.
 
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i thought the industry profit margin on passenger cars was about 2%, where as on the SUVs, they were raking in near 10%, if not more. that's why almost every manufac went the way of "let's build a SUV!!" craze
 

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I was talking to a friend of mine who ones a GMC - Pontiac - Caddy dealership and he said they pretty much emptied their inventories, problem is they extended the sale until August but can't get anymore new vehicles for inventory, so they have nothing to sell!!! It will be September before they get anything in for 2006! Which isn't included in the sale!

That GMAC is a joke, the other trick they use to make it look like GMAC has a lot of sales is you get a $1500 rebate if you use GMAC well the dealer tells people to finance it and then just pay it off in a month - GMAC counts it as a sale!!!
 
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I read in BusinessWeek between the two companies they have over $23 Billion dollars in cash, wheea thats more than all the Japanese brands combined.
Aren't they a lot larger? Would make sense that big companies have more cash. What does that really say tho? Toyota has more cash than GM and it's smaller. What's the point?

I can turn around and say Toyota has a profit margin 3 times what Ford and GM have combined.
 

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Toyota has more cash than GM and it's smaller.
Not true, Toyota is large - try Number 2 on the Global market - they don't have the cash because they've had to create new brands and invest in new plants because it doesn't exist - meanwhile GM and Ford haven't built new plants (because they don't have to). They will eventually but they really are pretty pre-mature in terms of GM, Ford - even BMW when if comes to maturity of the corporation and brand.

On another note: I read in last week's BusinessWeek- Toyota is going to be selling its Lexus brand in Japan finally - pretty sad. [:D]
 
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bmw046series said:
Not true, Toyota is large - try Number 2 on the Global market - they don't have the cash because they've had to create new brands and invest in new plants because it doesn't exist - meanwhile GM and Ford haven't built new plants (because they don't have to). They will eventually but they really are pretty pre-mature in terms of GM, Ford - even BMW when if comes to maturity of the corporation and brand.

On another note: I read in last week's BusinessWeek- Toyota is going to be selling its Lexus brand in Japan finally - pretty sad. [:D]
Just going by what Yahoo Finance said. Toyota had like $16.77B under the "Cash" category while GM had $15.65B. Since GM is bigger, that doesn't look too good to me. Particularly with that miniscule profit margin.

I got lost in your "maturity" argument. Who doesn't have cash and why? I'd rather be premature than mature. Mature means the next step is to die. Premature means you've got room to grow.

And what's wrong with selling Lexus in Japan? How's that mean they can't compete? Aren't they #1 in Japan with a fat, fat profit margin? Maybe they just want more profit or the Japanese public want a "name brand" like us brand whore Americans?
 


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