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I do and people say its unnecessary. I don't care, it's fun to do. I was also asked if I left foot brake. Common, in a RWD car? I've never heard of that but maybe I am wrong.
 
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Guilty though I think I'm doing it wrong. I use the inside of my foot (the ball) on the brake and the outside (pinkie toe) to hit the gas. [scratch]
 
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gpoints said:
Guilty though I think I'm doing it wrong. I use the inside of my foot (the ball) on the brake and the outside (pinkie toe) to hit the gas. [scratch]
No thats the right way to do it in a normal car. Unless you are special, I don't see how to use your actual heel and toes unless you have the room of a racing car.
 
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i've been practicing...it's still pretty hard. it really depends on the shoes for me. once in a blue moon i do it right and the car feels so smooth on the turns...
 
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gpoints said:
Guilty though I think I'm doing it wrong. I use the inside of my foot (the ball) on the brake and the outside (pinkie toe) to hit the gas. [scratch]
No, you're doing right for a BMW. "Heel and Toe" literally goes back to the days when the brake pedal was fairly far away from the accelerator and the accelerator was hinged on the floor (how many of you actually drove a car like THAT? hehe). Toes on the gas, heel on the brake. In some vehicles it was the opposite - the top of the accelerator was below the brake, so it was heel on the gas, toe on the brake. That was the harder way to do it. Now the pedals are generally much closer together.

I've been doing it since I learned to drive stick in a 1966 Ford "3 on the Tree" pickup when I was a teen on the mid '70s. I learned the concept and need for it (downshift & rev) when I started riding motorcycles at 14, so when I started driving a truck, I just did it, I thought it was what you HAD to do. I didn't know it was called "Heel and Toe" until a few years later.

As far as left foot braking, high school drivers training taught me NEVER to left foot brake, keep the left foot for the clutch. Now that I Autocross, I am trying to UNLEARN that and use left foot braking. There are some instances in autocross/racing where left foot braking is useful, such as trail braking into a corner and still keeping the engine revs up.
 
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Yeah i heel and toe my car as well. The pedal positioning in the E30 is ideal for this. In my case (right-hand-drive) i have my heel on the accelerator and my toes on the brake. I've been doing it ever since i started driving, really. In the old man's 740il (auto) i left-foot brake in heavy traffic - i just find it quicker and smoother.

Some people think its unnecessary and, in new cars, i think they may be right. However, in my car it really gived some good stability under heavy braking and takes a lot of load off the brakes. And i must say that it really shows it's advantages when i'm pushing the car hard on a twisty section of road. It really balances the car nicely for the corners and allows you to push just that little bit harder.

I do find that in my mum's 325i (manual) that it is absolutely impossible to heel and toe. The brake pedal is positioned so high that i can't heel the accelerator even if i try. I find it slightly annoying but my brother pointed out to me that, in this case, the gearbox is so good that heel and toeing isn't really needed. He may be right.... but i still want to do it, especially in a 325i [headbang]
 
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Kirby said:
No, you're doing right for a BMW. "Heel and Toe" literally goes back to the days when the brake pedal was fairly far away from the accelerator and the accelerator was hinged on the floor (how many of you actually drove a car like THAT? hehe). Toes on the gas, heel on the brake. In some vehicles it was the opposite - the top of the accelerator was below the brake, so it was heel on the gas, toe on the brake. That was the harder way to do it. Now the pedals are generally much closer together.

I've been doing it since I learned to drive stick in a 1966 Ford "3 on the Tree" pickup when I was a teen on the mid '70s. I learned the concept and need for it (downshift & rev) when I started riding motorcycles at 14, so when I started driving a truck, I just did it, I thought it was what you HAD to do. I didn't know it was called "Heel and Toe" until a few years later.

As far as left foot braking, high school drivers training taught me NEVER to left foot brake, keep the left foot for the clutch. Now that I Autocross, I am trying to UNLEARN that and use left foot braking. There are some instances in autocross/racing where left foot braking is useful, such as trail braking into a corner and still keeping the engine revs up.
Wow, I forgot about 3 on the tree.. I drove my mom's old 57 (I think) Ford Falcon once to take her to the hospital one night when I was 12.. 20 mile drive in the dark, trying to shift the gears on the damn steering shaft! (BTW she was having diabetes problems at the time, and was drifting in and out. Luckily my Mom was a nurse, and I 'knew' where she worked, so I just drove on autopilot!)

I wish I could do the ole heel & toe in my car, but I only can do it in my Tevos, and when I'm really 'into' driving.. I have big feet (size 13), and wide at that..
 
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Kirby said:
No, you're doing right for a BMW. "Heel and Toe" literally goes back to the days when the brake pedal was fairly far away from the accelerator and the accelerator was hinged on the floor (how many of you actually drove a car like THAT? hehe).
wait, don't all bmws have the accelerator hinged on the floor?
 
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What I was getting at (and maybe not real clearly) was in big, old cars & trucks the pedals were 2" - 4" apart, making heel and toe quite a challenge, and truly heel and toe. Today, it's more like "big toe - little toe" - well, at least for me with size 11 shoes!

the brake pedal was fairly far away from the accelerator and the accelerator was hinged on the floor
 
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Kirby said:
No, you're doing right for a BMW. "Heel and Toe" literally goes back to the days when the brake pedal was fairly far away from the accelerator and the accelerator was hinged on the floor (how many of you actually drove a car like THAT? hehe). Toes on the gas, heel on the brake. In some vehicles it was the opposite - the top of the accelerator was below the brake, so it was heel on the gas, toe on the brake. That was the harder way to do it. Now the pedals are generally much closer together.

I've been doing it since I learned to drive stick in a 1966 Ford "3 on the Tree" pickup when I was a teen on the mid '70s. I learned the concept and need for it (downshift & rev) when I started riding motorcycles at 14, so when I started driving a truck, I just did it, I thought it was what you HAD to do. I didn't know it was called "Heel and Toe" until a few years later.

As far as left foot braking, high school drivers training taught me NEVER to left foot brake, keep the left foot for the clutch. Now that I Autocross, I am trying to UNLEARN that and use left foot braking. There are some instances in autocross/racing where left foot braking is useful, such as trail braking into a corner and still keeping the engine revs up.
You left foot brake in a Bimmer! [bmwdance]
 
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Kirby said:
What I was getting at (and maybe not real clearly) was in big, old cars & trucks the pedals were 2" - 4" apart, making heel and toe quite a challenge, and truly heel and toe. Today, it's more like "big toe - little toe" - well, at least for me with size 11 shoes!
aaah i see!
 
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I would like some uhm...instructions on how to do this whole "Heel and Toe" ordeal. If its really as good as you say it is for the car I don't see why I shouldn't learn ahead of time [thumb]
 


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