Chevy relaunches its fabled Camaro

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Chevrolet withstood a titanic amount of grief, suffering the slings and arrows of the Camaro faithful (as well as many in the enthusiast press) when it torpedoed the 35-year-old pony car in 2002. After years of keeping the Camaro afloat despite foundering sales, Chevy felt it needed to cut the storied but antiquated F-body loose.

The besieged automaker went on to suffer the added scourge of watching Ford Mustang sales—buoyed by that car’s first complete redesign since 1979—swell to fill the void. For Chevrolet and its fans, this took some of the luster off their best news for 2005: Chevy outsold the Ford brand for the first time in 19 years.

Now the folks at Chevrolet have finally given Camaro loyalists something to celebrate. Perhaps inspired by the Mustang’s success, or even the booming interest in classic American muscle, the Bow-tie bunch has deemed conditions again conducive to a resuscitation of its pony car. And while the Camaro exists solely in concept form for now, we expect a production version to follow, by 2009 at the latest. (Those who think that’s too long should consider that even mighty Toyota took three years to turn the FJ Cruiser concept into a production model.)


Chevy used the Detroit show to officially unveil the concept car, but if you’re one of the thousands that frequent any number of enthusiast message boards on the Web—including AutoWeek.com’s own Combustion Chamber—then you’ve already caught buzz about the car, perhaps even peeked at leaked photos of the clay model.

Fuzzy internet pics of clay mockups, however, don’t do justice to the real thing.

Under the car’s bulging hood sits a Corvette-derived 6.0-liter LS2 V8, tuned to crank out 400 hp and anchored to a Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission. The engine also makes use of cylinder-deactivation technology to increase fuel efficiency. Chevy expects the Camaro to achieve 30 mpg on the freeway.

Handling duties fall to a four-wheel independent suspension, with MacPherson struts up front, a multilink design in back and progressive-rate coil springs and gas-pressurized dampers all around. It’s basically a derivative of the General’s Australian-built (and briefly canceled for export here from Down Under) Zeta rear-drive platform, which we expect will underpin a future Pontiac GTO as well as other U.S.-bound GM vehicles.

The show car sits on a set of flashy concept-specific wheels, 21-inch alloys up front wrapped in 245/30 rubber, with 305/30R-22s putting the power down in back. All four wheels house four-piston calipers gripping 14-inch vented disc brakes.

There is more than a hint of 1969 Camaro in the car’s lines, especially along its beltline and in the grille. The echoes come as little surprise, and not only because many consider the ’69 model the best-looking of the first-generation car. Ask Ed Welburn, GM vice president and design chief, what sits in his personal garage, and the first car he mentions is his yellow and black ’69 SS.

“I wanted to capture the spirit, the essence of [the ’69 Camaro],” says Tom Peters, director of design for GM’s global rear-wheel-drive performance cars. “But I am not a proponent of ‘retro’ design.” A barb aimed at Mustang? Probably.

Peters says he was more interested in distilling the essence of the ’69 car and infusing that into the concept.

“What are the powerful, passion-filled cues that made it desirable back then, make it exciting and desirable today, and I bet you a donut in 20 or 40 years will also be pretty neat to look at?” Peters says he asked of his design team. “I want you to sketch the meanest street-fighting dog you can sketch.”

Between its low, wide stance, flared fenders and prominent grille, the Camaro indeed has the presence of a street fighter. And it looks every bit the successor to the ’69 without being a complete rehash.

Peters admits he also took the liberty of sprinkling the car with a few Corvette cues; understandable, given he was the chief designer of the C6. Much of the Vette’s contribution lies in the Camaro’s rear, wrapping around to the quarter-panels.

We think it’s a winner of a design, inside and out. But what do the message-board mobs have to say about the car? A brief sampling found many more yeas than nays, though, admittedly, the malcontents proved much more fun: “It looked like a bad Hot Wheels car”; “a bit too much Batman for my taste, but a definite improvement over the Mustang”; “the best thing that GM can do with this mess is to start all over. They would do better by copying another one of Chrysler’s cars like they did with the HHR.”

Peters knows all about the Internet chatter and doesn’t sound the least bit concerned over the negative stuff floating in cyberspace.

“Times have changed. Obviously there are different customer expectations, there are more competitors out there, there are technical advances that all had to be factored into not only the design but the function as well,” he explains. “The function drives the aesthetic in a way.”

If the Camaro drives as well as it looks, then GM may have a winner on its hands. And with Dodge showing a Challenger just down the hall, it seems we may have an old-fashioned, pony-car donnybrook brewing.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060109/FREE/60109006/1057
 
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I don't think it would be a flop if GM did what they should have done back in 2002. Instead of killing the Camaro and subsequently forgetting about it for a few years, they should have started the development of this car back then. If they had done that, then we would have a production Camaro now. If this car was on sale now, I think it would be successful - there is a demand for this kind of car now. However, who knows what the climate will be like in 2009 - I think that the demand for this kind of car may be doubtful at that point in time. Believe me, there is nothing I'd love more than be able to buy myself a NEW Camaro in a few years to park in the driveway next to my '67. I have one of the first Camaros that rolled off the line (not only the first year of production, but it also has a very early build date), and I've always dreamed of bringing a brand new one home to keep it company. I'm just not sure they'll even decide to build it.

Overall, I like the concept. Regardless of what the higher-ups at GM say, this is undoubtedly highly reminiscent of the '69. It has the sharply pointed plastic grille with headlights deeply set into the fenders, the roofline is identical to the first gen Camaros, the taillights are reminiscent of the '67 and '68 taillights, the car has a cowl-induction style hood similar to what was available on mid to late '69s, and the car even has the faux vents in front of the rear wheels. The interior is a little over the top, but it does remind one of the '67-'68 interior - the interior would change significantly before production anyways. I do think they could have picked a more interesting color for the concept shown at the NAIAS as well.

My biggest concern (if they decide to build it) is how much the car will get toned down from the concept before it gets to final production trim. If they tone it down too much, the car will look boring. If GM has shown me anything, it's that they can create nice concepts that magically turn into boring, non-descript crap by the time they reach production trim.
 

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I don't think it would be a flop if GM did what they should have done back in 2002. Instead of killing the Camaro and subsequently forgetting about it for a few years, they should have started the development of this car back then. If they had done that, then we would have a production Camaro now. If this car was on sale now, I think it would be successful - there is a demand for this kind of car now. However, who knows what the climate will be like in 2009 - I think that the demand for this kind of car may be doubtful at that point in time.

I think they could have picked a more interesting color for the concept shown at the NAIAS as well.
No It'll be a flop. I got a chance to sit in and mess around with a new chrysler 300 and chrysler charger R/T. Their interiors are literally comparable to BMW's, mercedes, etc. Sorry, GM's got nothin over nobody anymore, except the vette.
 
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No It'll be a flop. I got a chance to sit in and mess around with a new chrysler 300 and chrysler charger R/T. Their interiors are literally comparable to BMW's, mercedes, etc. Sorry, GM's got nothin over nobody anymore, except the vette.
Well, the Camaro doesn't cater to people who care about BMWs or Mercedes. It's not the same kind of car. The kind of people that buy a Camaro buy it because it's a Camaro - that is, it's a V-8 powered, rear drive 2+2 that is almost as fast as a standard Vette but is significantly cheaper. Things like the texture of the defroster switch don't matter nearly as much in a car like the Camaro as they do in a car like the Chrysler 300 that aims to take on BMWs and Mercedes.

Have you looked at a new Mustang? The interior is pretty cheap - it ain't nothing like that in a BMW or Mercedes, and they are selling pretty well. That kind of stuff doesn't matter nearly as much in these kinds of cars.
 
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I dont think it will flop. Its a Camaro after all, one of the staple of american muscle cars. I am not into the grill very much in the picture above, but the rest of the car looks pretty slick I think. Go chevy. Personally I think chevy is starting to do a good job again in automobiles. Like JRT said, chevy should have this car out by now.... then they would be kicking ass.

I hope chevy and ford can scuttle that damn new Dodge Charger out of the muscle car market... I think that thing is butt a$$ ugly. I just dont like dodge anymore though. And wahts with that Magnum race wagon??? Oh yea, dodge was known to put Hemi's into station wagons.
 
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My mom has a new Msutang GT, and I think the interior is cheap too. Could have used a German's touch there. But that car is DAMN fast.... she got all the options and stuff. Its a blast to drive, and really turns heads.
 
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It will be at least mildly successful. The front end needs a bit of work, but the rest is pretty nice. I agree with Justin, there are absolute styling elements from the 67 - 69 SS/RS era. The rear wheel bulge/arch is classic Camaro.
 
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The 69 camaro has always been my favorite. I think it will do well. This car doesn't have to have an expensive interior. jrt67ss350 is right - this is not in the same class. Besides, I rented the base model 300C and it's interior looked cheap to me.
 
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I don't care what the enterior looks or feels like either. 12 sec 1/4 @ 30 mpg -- not bad!

Looks good; but I hope they put in a TRUE dual exhaust a decent rear end and remove at least half of the 2 million rattles that my 95 had.
 
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I forget, what is this 'new' camaro trying to look like again?

Only Camaro's I ever liked were the early 90's ones, that looked sorta 'boxy', and only because one of my friends Mom's let us drive her's around some while we were silly/young.. (Never seen a car's rear end slide around more than that ole Camaro!).

My first reaction is that it looks like that new Chrystler 'vert that came out a year or so ago (from the front).

Seriously, can someone post a link of an older 70's Camaro that this one takes its design from? I cannot ever recall a Camaro looking like that in the front?
 
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Click here for pics of a '67 (which happens to be mine). For those that don't know, the '67 was the first year of the Camaro. My '67 was built the 4th week of October of 1966 and has some unique early production characteristics that were changed early in this first year of production.

The styling is different between the '67s and '69s (except all '67-'69 cars share the same hood, roof, and trunklid, and they are largely identical under the sheetmetal surface (with a few exceptions/minor improvements over the three years). The 1969 interior is completely different than the 1967/1968 interior.

The '69 is by far the most recognized first generation ('67-'69) Camaro. Many consider it to have the most refined and aggressive styling of the three years. Put a '67 and a '69 side by side, and the '69 does appear more aggressive, but I have always thought the '67's styling is cleaner and purer.
 
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Click here for pics of a '67 (which happens to be mine). For those that don't know, the '67 was the first year of the Camaro. My '67 was built the 4th week of October of 1966 and has some unique early production characteristics that were changed early in this first year of production.

The styling is different between the '67s and '69s (except all '67-'69 cars share the same hood, roof, and trunklid, and they are largely identical under the sheetmetal surface (with a few exceptions/minor improvements over the three years). The 1969 interior is completely different than the 1967/1968 interior.

The '69 is by far the most recognized first generation ('67-'69) Camaro. Many consider it to have the most refined and aggressive styling of the three years. Put a '67 and a '69 side by side, and the '69 does appear more aggressive, but I have always thought the '67's styling is cleaner and purer.
Your '67 is SWEET!
 
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The yellow one looks like the upcoming Dodge Challenger Concept, which btw is looking so ugly to me...

I much more like the Dodge Charger that's out right now!
 
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I don't like it. I actually do like the Challenger tho. I'm opposed to the Charger simply cuz it's a 4 door. They coulda picked another name. Charger is such a coupe name that I feel they wasted it on a 4 door.
 
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Justin, there was still something reminding me of later Camaros. I just figgered it out - the plastic grille inset pattern and pointy grille/hood is reminiscent of the '73:
 
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Justin, there was still something reminding me of later Camaros. I just figgered it out - the plastic grille inset pattern and pointy grille/hood is reminiscent of the '73:
Yeah, but the first gens have that too, it just became more pronounced in the 2nd gen ('70-'81) Camaros because of their hideous front ends that draw your attention to the pointy centerline. The pointy front end of the first gens really doesn't reproduce well in pictures. It's much more obvious in person. For instance, in the pictures of my car on my website, the grille looks flat. In fact, the centerline of the grille sticks forward a good 4 inches compared to the edges.

Here's a picture of some of the pieces in a '67 Camaro grille assembly

You can see the "pointiness" of the front end from the black painted steel trim pieces that attach to the top and bottom of the plastic grille. These trim pieces follow the shape of the sheetmetal in the '67. The '69 grille is even pointier because the sides of the grille sit way back in the fenders.
 


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