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i just ran across it, while looking at the new m6, which looks sweet btw.
the new 3 and those before it.

i never fully realized it, but i think i now know why so many love the e30. just browsing through, i want to get one, as a fun project car. i think it'll be a lot of fun tooling around, and looks really cool. i'll prolly have to bug Eric, A LOT, if i end up going forward with it sometime in the future.

anyway, info is a bit scarse, but it's got some cool oldschool commercials. enjoy
 
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I don't understand why BMW didn't make the new 3-series really fast. They posted that the new 330i does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, which is definitely a great number, and very fast as a car by itself. But BMW needs to out-do the competition, and its competition consists of a 270hp Acura TL and a 298hp G35, among others. Top speed is also poopy at 130mph.

I have a feeling that this new 3-Series is going to drive really really really well, thoguh.
 

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I don't understand why BMW didn't make the new 3-series really fast. They posted that the new 330i does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, which is definitely a great number, and very fast as a car by itself. But BMW needs to out-do the competition, and its competition consists of a 270hp Acura TL and a 298hp G35, among others. Top speed is also poopy at 130mph.

I have a feeling that this new 3-Series is going to drive really really really well, thoguh.
So? Those other cars wont FEEL as good to drive as the bmw, and if you ever go to a track or autox event you'll realize driving dynamics and above all handling will do more than a 20 hp difference.
 
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i think the estimates are on the conservative. granted the new one is a bit heavier, it still has 20 more horses than the zhp. they clock zhp at 5.9 secs to 60. (maybe an over-estimate? still..) i think the new 330i should be able to equal, if not better that number. maybe we'll have to wait for the Ci..

Emile, top speed will prolly go up when they bring out the Ci. remember that top speed is usually governed by the tire rating, more than the power. besides, the coupes are the sportier ones anyway, save for the zhp sedan.

Eric, i agree w/ on your point, but in this day and age of hp wars, 255 seems a bit low, even if bmw is a bit more conservative compared to other car cos. esp w/ like of the G35 pushing near 300 horses.. and considering the price premium you'll have to pay for a bimmer..
 

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i think the estimates are on the conservative. granted the new one is a bit heavier, it still has 20 more horses than the zhp. they clock zhp at 5.9 secs to 60. (maybe an over-estimate? still..) i think the new 330i should be able to equal, if not better that number. maybe we'll have to wait for the Ci..

Emile, top speed will prolly go up when they bring out the Ci. remember that top speed is usually governed by the tire rating, more than the power. besides, the coupes are the sportier ones anyway, save for the zhp sedan.

Eric, i agree w/ on your point, but in this day and age of hp wars, 255 seems a bit low, even if bmw is a bit more conservative compared to other car cos. esp w/ like of the G35 pushing near 300 horses.. and considering the price premium you'll have to pay for a bimmer..
Yes but power isn't everything. My 2.5l 167hp could walk a 5 liter 230hp mustang on the highway (same build years). Weight is everything. The new 3 will probably weigh more since it's substantially bigger.
 
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Yes but power isn't everything. My 2.5l 167hp could walk a 5 liter 230hp mustang on the highway (same build years). Weight is everything. The new 3 will probably weigh more since it's substantially bigger.
I thought I read somewhere that the new sedan was 40 pounds lighter?? Magnesium top to the engine - a whole assortment of special materials used to lighten the load throughout the car.

Bigger, lighter, faster.. dang I'm going to go look for that post and link it over here to share. I recall that line..
 
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the e90 doesn't weigh that much more than the current 3. according to the spec sheet in the flash vid, it's about 140lbs heavier than the e46. iirc.. thus my speculation of conservatism on bmw's part. way more hp gain than the weight gain.
 
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hmm, I musta read it wrong then - I got too lazy to hunt down that post.. 140 lbs isn't that much given it's growing inches in all directions though. That's less than 1 average passenger. And now we'll be able to 'fit' that passenger in the car a little more cofortably.
 
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Found it: Don't think it claims to be lighter - my wishful thinking I suppose.. Does talk about all the lightened materials used for the engine and car. 25% stiffer - wow!!

Woodcliff Lake, NJ - October 26, 2004... Sport sedan enthusiasts everywhere will soon have cause to celebrate an automotive landmark. Next spring the all-new BMW 3 Series will make its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show, followed by its North American debut at the New York Auto Show.
As with its predecessors, the fifth generation BMW 3 Series raises the sport sedan benchmark - decisively and significantly. Continuing to improve a concept that BMW pioneered more than forty years ago, the new 3 Series offers greater performance, safety and security as well as greater comfort and convenience.

Groundbreaking six-cylinder with light-weight magnesium crankcase
The new 3 Series will enter the U.S. market in summer of 2005 with a choice of two in-line 6-cylinder engines, continuing a 3 Series tradition. The all-new 3.0-liter unit in the 330i offers a significant increase in performance. It is rated at 255-horsepower (SAE), a 30-horsepower increase over its predecessor.

In BMW's ongoing pursuit of weight reduction, this engine is the first in large-scale series production to use magnesium which, compared to aluminum, is 30 percent lighter. Magnesium is used in the crankcase, the crankshaft bearings and the cylinder head cover.

This engine is also the first six-cylinder to use BMW VALVETRONIC. With infinitely variable valve lift in place of the traditional throttle butterfly, this system improves both throttle response and fuel efficiency. Like previous BMW engines which have incorporated VALVETRONIC, the gains are impressive. In the case of the 330i, horsepower increases by 13%, while fuel consumption decreases by 12%. This unique technology works in tandem with BMW's double-VANOS variable valve timing for both intake and exhaust camshafts. The new 330i will accelerate from 0 - 60 mph in approximately six seconds.

Six-speed transmissions on both models
Both models will be offered in the U.S. with a choice of a standard six-speed manual transmission or optional six-speed STEPTRONIC automatic transmission. The benefits of a six-speed manual in terms of acceleration, cruising comfort and fuel efficiency have been demonstrated in the previous 330i. These same benefits have also been proven on other BMWs which offer the new six-speed STEPTRONIC automatic. Those benefits will now be available to all 3 Series drivers.

Starting the engine at the touch of a button
The 3 Series is the latest BMW to feature the convenience of a start button. After firing up the engine at the touch of a button, all other functions operate seamlessly.

The standard for handling and agility is raised once again
Reflecting BMW's rich heritage, the new BMW 3 Series continues some long standing traditions - engine mounted longitudinally up front, drive power to the rear wheels and near perfect 50:50 balance of weight over the front and rear wheels. These have contributed to the 3 Series well-earned reputation as the best handling sports sedan on the market.

Several enhancements will ensure that this new 3 Series lives up to its reputation. Like other BMWs, the new 3 Series gets a double-pivot front suspension for improved responsiveness. The newly developed suspension is made of aluminum to further improve responsiveness and comfort by reducing unsprung weight.

A new five-link rear suspension contributes to the improvement in handling and comfort. The new rear suspension is made of lightweight steel, which also contributes to the overall reduction of unsprung weight.

Active Steering: unique in this segment
The new 3 Series becomes the first car in its class to offer anything approaching the benefits of BMW's unique Active Steering. This stand-alone option provides a more direct steering ratio at low speeds for greater maneuverability and a progressively less direct ratio as vehicle speed increases to improve high-speed stability. This solves the traditional trade-off between agility, stability and comfort with non-active steering.

In the new 3 Series, BMW Active Steering has been enhanced to provide an additional active safety benefit. Whenever the driver applies the brakes hard on surfaces with varying frictional coefficients - such as intermittent mud, ice or snow - Active Steering will intervene to help stabilize the vehicle even more quickly and seamlessly.

Latest generation DSC offers additional benefits
BMW's latest Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) incorporates new features which provide the driver with even more benefits. A new brake-drying feature can improve braking in wet weather, detected using the rain sensor and/or wiper activity, by gently rubbing the brake pads on the rotors to help keep the pad surface dry. A new Brake Standby feature can reduce braking response time by readying the brakes for application whenever the driver abruptly lifts off the accelerator pedal. By anticipating a sudden stop, Brake Standby can shorten stopping distances. The new Starting Assistant feature is designed to prevent rollback when starting off on a grade without having to use the brake pedal or handbrake.

All of these features will ensure that the BMW 3 Series will maintain its leadership, not only in handling and responsiveness, but in active safety as well.

The BMW 3 Series - the quintessential sport sedan
The design of the new 3 Series is at once bold, dynamic and elegant. Positioned right in the epicenter of BMW's modern design spectrum, the 3 Series fits comfortably between the sportiness of the Z4 and the elegance of the 7 Series.

Compared to the outgoing model, more generous exterior dimensions ensure even greater spaciousness and comfort for all passengers. At 178.0 inches, the length increases by 1.9 inches. The width at 71.5 inches increases by 3.1. Vehicle height is 55.9 inches, an increase of 0.24. The wheelbase is 1.4 inches longer at 108.7.

Body shell improvements: lighter, stiffer, safer
Not only is the body shell of the new 3 Series larger it is also designed for greater stiffness, leading to improved comfort and safety. A new joint and crossbar concept for the car's load-bearing structure increases body stiffness by 25 percent without increasing the car's weight, thanks to intelligent lightweight engineering through the use of more highly developed steel and molding technologies.

The safest 3 Series ever, particularly in side impacts
The new 3 Series is designed to achieve the best results in the very demanding EuroNCAP crash test. It is also one of the first cars in the world fully prepared for the demanding U.S. side impact standards, as well as the high-speed rear impact test.

The list of passive safety features includes intelligent front driver and passenger airbags, hip/thorax side airbags and the BMW Head Protection System in curtain form.

Proven technology for an extra measure of safety and security
Two-stage Adaptive Brakelights enlarge the brake light area in hard braking or whenever ABS is activated. This brighter warning can help following drivers to react more quickly. Runflat tires come standard. In the event of a puncture, the driver can continue for up to nearly three hours at speeds up to 50 mph, allowing him or her to get the tire repaired or replaced in a safe and secure area by skilled personnel.

The new 3 Series will be available with optional Xenon Adaptive Headlights. The previous BMW 3 Series was the first vehicle to offer these lights, which turn slightly whenever the front wheels turn. Greater illumination around bends improves visibility, particularly on winding roads.

Interior: Modern and purposeful
The new interior reflects the modern ambience seen in other recent BMW designs. The interior is more spacious and more luxurious for drivers and passengers alike. The driver is also offered an environment that is designed to enhance the driving experience. As before, an onboard navigation system will be available. In the new 3 Series the system will include BMW's iDrive control system for convenient operation.

Get in and go without a key
The optional Comfort Access makes the conventional ignition key a thing of the past. A uniquely coded transmitter, referred to as the ID Sensor, enables the driver to enter the car with the ID Sensor in a pocket and start the engine by pressing a button, without ever touching the ID Sensor. The ID Sensor, in conjunction with Key Memory, sets the driver's preferences for power seat position, mirrors, automatic climate control and, if equipped with optional iDrive, the radio station presets.

Luxury class infotainment systems
The new 3 Series is able to take advantage of the full range of BMW's information and entertainment features. The DVD-based onboard navigation system provides quick and accurate route planning and destination information. The standard AM/FM/CD/MP3 sound system can be upgraded to include the Logic7 surround sound system, as offered in the 7 Series. The listening experience can be enhanced further with the availability of SIRIUS satellite radio. The available Premium Package will include BMW Assist which provides emergency calling and BMW Roadside Assistance. Subscribers may also take advantage of a whole range of travel-related services.

The new BMW 3 Series will once again raise the sports sedan standard.

Courtesy of BMW USA
 

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Current 330Ci: 225hp, 3285 lbs
New 330i: 255hp, 3425 (assuming it really is 140lbs heavier)

The current one has 14.6 lbs per horsepower
New one is 13.4lbs per hp

So really it SHOULD be a tad faster. That is more than 1 lb per hp in weight reduction.
 
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Per the Infiniti site: G35 Sedan 6MT weighs 3,512 lbs and the G35x AWD is 3,650 lbs. Edmunds.com rates the new 05 G35 RWD 0-60 at 6.1 seconds. That is equal to BMW's new E90. There has something to be said of BMW to stay very competitive with 43 less HP. Thats why Im dont consider HP as the only factor in performance. Granted the BMW weighs less, but is only 87lbs less than the RWD G35 and a difference of 43HP. Good job on BMW.
 

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87 lbs is a LOT actually. That's 87 less pounds that needs to be moved by the engine. Look at the M3 csl, it weighs something like 160 lbs less than the normal M3, but increases the track time of it substantially.
 
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Found it: Don't think it claims to be lighter - my wishful thinking I suppose.. Does talk about all the lightened materials used for the engine and car. 25% stiffer - wow!!

Woodcliff Lake, NJ - October 26, 2004... Sport sedan enthusiasts everywhere will soon have cause to celebrate an automotive landmark. Next spring the all-new BMW 3 Series will make its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show, followed by its North American debut at the New York Auto Show.
As with its predecessors, the fifth generation BMW 3 Series raises the sport sedan benchmark - decisively and significantly. Continuing to improve a concept that BMW pioneered more than forty years ago, the new 3 Series offers greater performance, safety and security as well as greater comfort and convenience.

Groundbreaking six-cylinder with light-weight magnesium crankcase
The new 3 Series will enter the U.S. market in summer of 2005 with a choice of two in-line 6-cylinder engines, continuing a 3 Series tradition. The all-new 3.0-liter unit in the 330i offers a significant increase in performance. It is rated at 255-horsepower (SAE), a 30-horsepower increase over its predecessor.

In BMW's ongoing pursuit of weight reduction, this engine is the first in large-scale series production to use magnesium which, compared to aluminum, is 30 percent lighter. Magnesium is used in the crankcase, the crankshaft bearings and the cylinder head cover.

This engine is also the first six-cylinder to use BMW VALVETRONIC. With infinitely variable valve lift in place of the traditional throttle butterfly, this system improves both throttle response and fuel efficiency. Like previous BMW engines which have incorporated VALVETRONIC, the gains are impressive. In the case of the 330i, horsepower increases by 13%, while fuel consumption decreases by 12%. This unique technology works in tandem with BMW's double-VANOS variable valve timing for both intake and exhaust camshafts. The new 330i will accelerate from 0 - 60 mph in approximately six seconds.

Six-speed transmissions on both models
Both models will be offered in the U.S. with a choice of a standard six-speed manual transmission or optional six-speed STEPTRONIC automatic transmission. The benefits of a six-speed manual in terms of acceleration, cruising comfort and fuel efficiency have been demonstrated in the previous 330i. These same benefits have also been proven on other BMWs which offer the new six-speed STEPTRONIC automatic. Those benefits will now be available to all 3 Series drivers.

Starting the engine at the touch of a button
The 3 Series is the latest BMW to feature the convenience of a start button. After firing up the engine at the touch of a button, all other functions operate seamlessly.

The standard for handling and agility is raised once again
Reflecting BMW's rich heritage, the new BMW 3 Series continues some long standing traditions - engine mounted longitudinally up front, drive power to the rear wheels and near perfect 50:50 balance of weight over the front and rear wheels. These have contributed to the 3 Series well-earned reputation as the best handling sports sedan on the market.

Several enhancements will ensure that this new 3 Series lives up to its reputation. Like other BMWs, the new 3 Series gets a double-pivot front suspension for improved responsiveness. The newly developed suspension is made of aluminum to further improve responsiveness and comfort by reducing unsprung weight.

A new five-link rear suspension contributes to the improvement in handling and comfort. The new rear suspension is made of lightweight steel, which also contributes to the overall reduction of unsprung weight.

Active Steering: unique in this segment
The new 3 Series becomes the first car in its class to offer anything approaching the benefits of BMW's unique Active Steering. This stand-alone option provides a more direct steering ratio at low speeds for greater maneuverability and a progressively less direct ratio as vehicle speed increases to improve high-speed stability. This solves the traditional trade-off between agility, stability and comfort with non-active steering.

In the new 3 Series, BMW Active Steering has been enhanced to provide an additional active safety benefit. Whenever the driver applies the brakes hard on surfaces with varying frictional coefficients - such as intermittent mud, ice or snow - Active Steering will intervene to help stabilize the vehicle even more quickly and seamlessly.

Latest generation DSC offers additional benefits
BMW's latest Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) incorporates new features which provide the driver with even more benefits. A new brake-drying feature can improve braking in wet weather, detected using the rain sensor and/or wiper activity, by gently rubbing the brake pads on the rotors to help keep the pad surface dry. A new Brake Standby feature can reduce braking response time by readying the brakes for application whenever the driver abruptly lifts off the accelerator pedal. By anticipating a sudden stop, Brake Standby can shorten stopping distances. The new Starting Assistant feature is designed to prevent rollback when starting off on a grade without having to use the brake pedal or handbrake.

All of these features will ensure that the BMW 3 Series will maintain its leadership, not only in handling and responsiveness, but in active safety as well.

The BMW 3 Series - the quintessential sport sedan
The design of the new 3 Series is at once bold, dynamic and elegant. Positioned right in the epicenter of BMW's modern design spectrum, the 3 Series fits comfortably between the sportiness of the Z4 and the elegance of the 7 Series.

Compared to the outgoing model, more generous exterior dimensions ensure even greater spaciousness and comfort for all passengers. At 178.0 inches, the length increases by 1.9 inches. The width at 71.5 inches increases by 3.1. Vehicle height is 55.9 inches, an increase of 0.24. The wheelbase is 1.4 inches longer at 108.7.

Body shell improvements: lighter, stiffer, safer
Not only is the body shell of the new 3 Series larger it is also designed for greater stiffness, leading to improved comfort and safety. A new joint and crossbar concept for the car's load-bearing structure increases body stiffness by 25 percent without increasing the car's weight, thanks to intelligent lightweight engineering through the use of more highly developed steel and molding technologies.

The safest 3 Series ever, particularly in side impacts
The new 3 Series is designed to achieve the best results in the very demanding EuroNCAP crash test. It is also one of the first cars in the world fully prepared for the demanding U.S. side impact standards, as well as the high-speed rear impact test.

The list of passive safety features includes intelligent front driver and passenger airbags, hip/thorax side airbags and the BMW Head Protection System in curtain form.

Proven technology for an extra measure of safety and security
Two-stage Adaptive Brakelights enlarge the brake light area in hard braking or whenever ABS is activated. This brighter warning can help following drivers to react more quickly. Runflat tires come standard. In the event of a puncture, the driver can continue for up to nearly three hours at speeds up to 50 mph, allowing him or her to get the tire repaired or replaced in a safe and secure area by skilled personnel.

The new 3 Series will be available with optional Xenon Adaptive Headlights. The previous BMW 3 Series was the first vehicle to offer these lights, which turn slightly whenever the front wheels turn. Greater illumination around bends improves visibility, particularly on winding roads.

Interior: Modern and purposeful
The new interior reflects the modern ambience seen in other recent BMW designs. The interior is more spacious and more luxurious for drivers and passengers alike. The driver is also offered an environment that is designed to enhance the driving experience. As before, an onboard navigation system will be available. In the new 3 Series the system will include BMW's iDrive control system for convenient operation.

Get in and go without a key
The optional Comfort Access makes the conventional ignition key a thing of the past. A uniquely coded transmitter, referred to as the ID Sensor, enables the driver to enter the car with the ID Sensor in a pocket and start the engine by pressing a button, without ever touching the ID Sensor. The ID Sensor, in conjunction with Key Memory, sets the driver's preferences for power seat position, mirrors, automatic climate control and, if equipped with optional iDrive, the radio station presets.

Luxury class infotainment systems
The new 3 Series is able to take advantage of the full range of BMW's information and entertainment features. The DVD-based onboard navigation system provides quick and accurate route planning and destination information. The standard AM/FM/CD/MP3 sound system can be upgraded to include the Logic7 surround sound system, as offered in the 7 Series. The listening experience can be enhanced further with the availability of SIRIUS satellite radio. The available Premium Package will include BMW Assist which provides emergency calling and BMW Roadside Assistance. Subscribers may also take advantage of a whole range of travel-related services.

The new BMW 3 Series will once again raise the sports sedan standard.

Courtesy of BMW USA

I don't think there is anything else to be said-BMW 3 Series is still king!
 
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87 lbs is a LOT actually. That's 87 less pounds that needs to be moved by the engine. Look at the M3 csl, it weighs something like 160 lbs less than the normal M3, but increases the track time of it substantially.
All Im saying is that BMW is still the benchmark. HP or not, everyone will still be catching up to them. Infiniti, who is the closest competitor, needs a 43hp advantage (just improved) to keep up. And the aged E46 w/ZHP tested at 5.9 seconds is still very impressive.
 

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This is getting me excited! I wonder what kinda maintenance is necessary on the Valvetronic. Any 7 series owners out there? I think the new 3 is shaping up to be a winner.

Who said above the coupe is more sporty!?! The 3 series is a sports sedan, first and foremost...that's the sporty heritage of the 3.
 


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