BMW Harrogate - poor service!

jimsefton

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I don’t usually post rants on forums, but I feel I must post regarding the poor level of service I have received from BMW Harrogate.

I took my car in for its MOT and to have it checked out prior to the warranty running out. I specifically asked them to check the roof, as it had marks on it and bulges and creases on the passenger side. I have been on the Z4 forums for a year or so and I know what a 3 year old roof should look like, and I do expect some marks, especially when it’s not clean. However, these are actual bulges (and are only on the passenger side).

My issues is two parts really, firstly the quality of the roof and secondly the fact that they have taken over 2 months now and they have still not resolved it.

On 5th April 2007 the engineer at BMW Harrogate looked at my roof and agreed that it had premature wear and tear and needed replacing. I saw the original report and discussed it with a member of the service desk. He also promised me the roof would be replaced. I took the car to them on 16th April as this was the earliest they had a slot.

I received a call from BMW Harrogate on 19th April stating that BMW had not agreed this work, as they believe it is a cleaning issue and it needs to be cleaned with the official BMW kit. I have since checked with the previous owner and this had been done already, prior to September 2006. The cleaning helped with the marks a little bit, but (no surprise) the bulges still remained!

To cut a long story short, I took the car in 4 times, engineers looked at it and they took digital pictures. I agreed to this as, as far as they led me to believe, they just needed to send pictures to BMW in order to get permission to fit the roof.

On 17th May I was told that they needed the car once again, as the Regional Technical Manager needed to see it. He came and saw it but told me it was due to the roof being put down when wet! I have never done this… and the bulges have appeared since I have had the car. Also, the bulges and marks are only on one side!!

I received the other day an email from BMW stating it is not a warranty issue and they will do nothing to assist me. I will supply pictures to back this up (they are at home), but this is a word of warning about BMW Harrogate… Their attitude all along has been “we’d be more inclined to help if you’d bought it from us”. That in my mind is condescending and rude. It’s a BMW warranty and I expect better quality and service from a supposed reputable marquee.

The long and the short of it is, they promised me a new roof, in my opinion it requires one, and they took over 2 months just to say flat out, “no”. Beware.

EDIT: forgot to mention, this has been escalated to BMW UK, and since then the communication is a little better. I am still waiting for a call though to see where I can go next with this. Like I said, I don't usually post this sort of thing, but I am just very disillusioned with the service from BMW Harrogate.
 

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Wow, sorry to hear about that. I had the entire convertible top on my 98 M roadster replaced under warranty, I took it in for some other service and my excellent service advisor said your top looks like Sh*t and needs replacing, I said go ahead and two weeks later had a new top!
 

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Yeah, we're not renowned for good service over this side of the pond... the people at this dealership actually grinned at me when they said "you should have bought it from us then"... I could hardly believe it! Every one of them at one point said they agree with me about the top, yet two months down the line they just change their mind. In my opinion, they said it was going in for a new roof, so that's exactly what i'm entitled to.. very disappointed in this service..
 
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I did not take the time to read your entire post, but does the roof still operate fine, and does it still prevent against leaks?

Keep in mind that as the owner of the car, you have to take the necessary steps to ensure the soft top stays in good shape. This means no parking the car overnight with the top down, and using the proper soft top cleaner/conditioner product(s) when washing the vehicle. I am assuming you did take these steps?
 

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MrElussive said:
I did not take the time to read your entire post, but does the roof still operate fine, and does it still prevent against leaks?

Keep in mind that as the owner of the car, you have to take the necessary steps to ensure the soft top stays in good shape. This means no parking the car overnight with the top down, and using the proper soft top cleaner/conditioner product(s) when washing the vehicle. I am assuming you did take these steps?
When I got the car it had a few marks, that's all... since then it had developed bulges. I live in England... you think we EVER get the chance to keep the roof down overnight??? I have never put the roof down other than when it is bone dry... for god's sake I wash and wax the car weekly, I take good care of it?!

Even if putting the top down overnight (impossible in the UK) was the issue, it would affect both sides, not just the passenger side... the passenger side is FAR worse than the driver side.

i do take your point, and I appreciate the feedback, but this is a bulge in the rood, not just marks from a damp roof being mistreated.
 

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I have left mine with the top down for more than a week in the garage and it has no bulges or other problems The top I had replaced was rarely down and it had bulges in the seams, and poor stitching.
 

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I agree, even if it had been put down wet it (which it wasn't), it should not result in bulges in the roof, especially just on one side.

David Harrison at Harrogate BMW has tried to give me every excuse under the sun, ranging from top being put down wet, through to it being dropped while moving (does he not know the car won't even let you do this?).

The marks were there before, and I am less worried about those (cleaning helps them a bit), but the bulges appeared more recently, and I KNOW how I have treated the car since I have had it.... I take pride in my car, and I am not likely to be doing things to damage the roof.

The thing that irks me more is the fact they TOLD me I could have a new roof, and even that that is why they took the car off me.... then they made me dance around them for over 2 months, getting taxi's lifts, popping in for them to photo it etc... only to then say "oh, we've changed our minds". They have wasted so much of my time and given me nothing.
 
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IMHO, the dealer is at fault for telling you they would replace it under warranty BEFORE they submitted it to BMW UK for approval. However, some of your anger should be directed at BMW UK and not the dealer. The dealer DID try very hard to get it replaced, they even brought in a regional technical engineer from BMW UK. He said no. That's not the dealer, that's BMW UK.

And depending on the model of BMW, the top CAN be lowered if the car is going less than 3 mph, and then in theory you could speed up after starting the process.
 

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ok, well mine is a 2004 3.0 Z4 and you can't do it. I see your point in terms of who I should be angry at, but to be honest I am just angry about the whole experience. Nobody, at the dealership or BMW UK seem to actually care that they have a very disappointed customer who is rapidly going off BMW as a brand. I have owned 2 BMW's, but would seriously consider buying a 3rd.
 

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Sunday now... still no communication, although I suppose I wouldn't expect it over the weekend.

I have just taken a picture of the other side (drivers) to illustrate the difference.

Drivers side (no bulge)


Passengers side (bulge)
 


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