Bmw Announces Re-entry Into Turbo Technology For Gasoline Engines (diesels in USA?)

[epj3]

Now all of you forced induction on-a-bmw naysayers, please note the title of the thread. That's BMW's title!!! Not mine

Anyways, here's the official press release from bmw.

At today's BMW Group press conference at the 76th Geneva Automobile Salon, Prof. Dr. Dr. E.h. Burkhard Göschel, BMW AG Director of Development, spoke about BMW engine concepts with maximum potential for further reductions in fuel consumption and exhaust emissions.


Over half of the BMW's sold in 2005 were fitted with an in-line 6-cylinder engine. With smoother running and lower vibration than any competitor, this engine concept occupies a very special position in its category. It will also form the basis for development measures which reach far into the future.

Exactly 100 years after the invention of the turbo charger, BMW has now announced its re-entry into turbo technology for large-scale serial production of gasoline engines. The in-line 6-cylinder bi-turbo engine presented in Geneva for the first time has the new innovative direct injection system High Precision Injection, the fully variable camshaft control BIVANOS and highly heat resistant materials from space technology in its turbo chargers.

These engines together with the in-line 6-cylinder diesel engine with Variable Twin Turbo Technology occupy the leading position in worldwide engine construction.

BMW diesel in the US only with sustainable technology.
"If the BMW Group is to enter the American market with a diesel product, it will be with one that offers a truly sustainable solution," said Prof. Dr. Göschel on the further development of diesel technology. So-called SCR technology for the reduction of nitric oxides has a key role to play here. However, Göschel indicated that it would be some time before this technology had reached serial production maturity.

 

[bmw046series]

I've heard (from several sources), that VW and Mercedes might possible pull their diesels next year from the US market with the introduction of Low Sulfar diesel. Why I don't know, but it would make a huge market for BMW Diesels. Has anybody else heard this?

 

[epj3]

I've heard (from several sources), that VW and Mercedes might possible pull their diesels next year from the US market with the introduction of Low Sulfar diesel. Why I don't know, but it would make a huge market for BMW Diesels. Has anybody else heard this?

I don't think vw or merc sell diesels in the USA, and haven't for 3 or 4 years. Unless the diesel gets amazing gas mileage, there is no point. Diesel costs as much as premium gas out here.

 

[deutsch100]

I don't think vw or merc sell diesels in the USA, and haven't for 3 or 4 years. Unless the diesel gets amazing gas mileage, there is no point. Diesel costs as much as premium gas out here.

Eric, Mercedes Benz USA started selling Diesels again with the launch of the new E Class (2003+). They stopped in 1999 with the last model E Class, but has since returned...but only in 45 states. CA, NY, VT, MA and one other state do not allow the sale of new Diesel cars (but does allow horribly polluting Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks though!!). You can bring a Diesel into CA, but it must be one year old and have either 7 or 10,000 miles on the odometer. Odd, I know.

Diesels make lots of sense, especially since they are getting cleaner and cleaner, and MBZ has shown how the can outperform their 500 and 600 gas engines.

The new E Class gets almost 800 miles on one tank of Diesel, compared with about 275-300 miles for the gasoline model. Even if diesel is the same price as Premium gas...you can go a helluva lot farther for the same amount of $.

 

[bmw046series]

I see LOTS of diesels, of course they don't really restrict them in WI, I don't think VW ever stopped selling diesels here. MB on the other hand did because of the sulfur difference costs a lot of money to build two sets of engines. The old VW diesels you could dump garbage in the tank and it would still run fine. The Golf TDI gets 50 MPG and goes about 700 miles on a single tank! I can't wait for low sulfur, it will kill the trucking industry in terms of costs but it means more German cars, the Japos sure don't know how to build a good diesel car . Oh also here in WI BioDiesel is popular with tractors and cars, and you can fill you tank for half the price per gallon of diesel because of the mix, just like E-85.

Available Diesels

Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI
http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=E320CDI

Volkswagon Golf TDI

http://www.vw.com/golf/index.html

Volkswagon Jetta TDI

http://config.vw.com/autodata/config/buildModel.asp?HT=&AppID=VCQ&model=jetta

Volkswagon Beetle TDI (Yes a Beetle diesel)

http://config.vw.com/autodata/config/buildModel.asp?HT=&AppID=VCQ&model=nb

 

[selavia]

Edit: apparently I cannot read english. /\



this may show my ignorance, but are vw jetta TDI's deisel? Turbo diesel injection?

 

[PhatBimmer]

Edit: apparently I cannot read english. /\



this may show my ignorance, but are vw jetta TDI's deisel? Turbo diesel injection?

Almost but its Turbo Direct Injection Diesel

Thats what I used to think it was too

 

[epj3]

Eric, Mercedes Benz USA started selling Diesels again with the launch of the new E Class (2003+). They stopped in 1999 with the last model E Class, but has since returned...but only in 45 states. CA, NY, VT, MA and one other state do not allow the sale of new Diesel cars (but does allow horribly polluting Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks though!!). You can bring a Diesel into CA, but it must be one year old and have either 7 or 10,000 miles on the odometer. Odd, I know.

Diesels make lots of sense, especially since they are getting cleaner and cleaner, and MBZ has shown how the can outperform their 500 and 600 gas engines.

The new E Class gets almost 800 miles on one tank of Diesel, compared with about 275-300 miles for the gasoline model. Even if diesel is the same price as Premium gas...you can go a helluva lot farther for the same amount of $.

Oh ok thanks for clarifying. I knew it was something wacky. I know a guy who has a 97 VW Diesel non-turbo (or something around that year), and gets like 60mpg.

 

[B M W]

What id on't understand is why two article are meshed together? The Diesel article adn the bi-turbo article should be seperate stories.

BMW is producing a twin turbo 3.0 Liter engien to be designated on the e90 as a BMW 335i. It utilizes two turbos to eliminate lag but fromt he pictures that I have seen they are tiny turbos. On top of that I was extremely disappointed to see the numbers. If you look at it, it's perfectly priced to fit right inbetween the gap between the 330i adn the M3. The engine power is right inbetween them. Basically it's a great concept but obviously it is defintely not at it's maximum potential. I see this as an opportunity for people to turn these 335i's into cars that could easily kill the e90 M3.

 

[epj3]

What id on't understand is why two article are meshed together? The Diesel article adn the bi-turbo article should be seperate stories.

BMW is producing a twin turbo 3.0 Liter engien to be designated on the e90 as a BMW 335i. It utilizes two turbos to eliminate lag but fromt he pictures that I have seen they are tiny turbos. On top of that I was extremely disappointed to see the numbers. If you look at it, it's perfectly priced to fit right inbetween the gap between the 330i adn the M3. The engine power is right inbetween them. Basically it's a great concept but obviously it is defintely not at it's maximum potential. I see this as an opportunity for people to turn these 335i's into cars that could easily kill the e90 M3.

It's direct from BMW - I think the point was that since they dont sell a bi-turbo diesel in the USA (good gas mileage while still getting excellent power), is why they made a bi-turbo gasoline for us.

What numbers are you disappointed about? Reporters trying to describe the torque curve said "what CURVE?" Also, the power is barely under what cars like the 3000GT were stock... with a much much flatter torque curve. Imagine the mods, I have a feeling this motor will have forged internals so mods = woohooo.