BMW 645i featured in May Edition of Car and Driver
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thats cool...today i went to Irvine BMW and saw it in person (for the 9th time) but i went cuz im getting an X3 (trading 325i for like no loss since we know owners and customers since 1979) and i was in the cubical talking with the guy and i saw that my normal associate sold a Neiman Marcus 645Ci, i was like wow
Okay, I love the fact that Mercedes finally won one of these comparos (usually MB comes in last, lol) but this was totally unfair. You cannot have a comparo of a CLK55 AMG and a freaking Maserati against a 645Ci. That is totally uncool...it should be CLK55 vs Maserate vs M version of the new 6-series Coupe. That would have been much more fair, and BMW probably would have won.
Mr.E lil easy on C&D bashing last night eh? ![[:p]](/images/smilies/tongue.png "Stick Out Tongue [:p]")
to some degree bmw enjoys hatered shared by anti yankees, anti laker fans, aniti wings fans. well haters will always be, i can say i balance things by hating the evil empire, the lakers, but loving the wings (altho i hate the i'm gonna buy us a championship attitude) and love my BMWs. if yer on top year in and year out, only natural you'll have a big target, and people will hate you.. *sigh*
to some degree bmw enjoys hatered shared by anti yankees, anti laker fans, aniti wings fans. well haters will always be, i can say i balance things by hating the evil empire, the lakers, but loving the wings (altho i hate the i'm gonna buy us a championship attitude) and love my BMWs. if yer on top year in and year out, only natural you'll have a big target, and people will hate you.. *sigh*
C&D and Road&Track are the 2 worst publications you can spend money on
Automobile is much better, and then European Car is at the top. Eurotuner is
kinda gay...but its cheap, and not bad for keeping up with "the scene"
then come the BMW and EVO and CAR mags from england, they ARE THE BEST
the cost a million dollars, but the articles and pics in the latest EVO are absolutely
incredible.
Automobile is much better, and then European Car is at the top. Eurotuner is
kinda gay...but its cheap, and not bad for keeping up with "the scene"
then come the BMW and EVO and CAR mags from england, they ARE THE BEST
the cost a million dollars, but the articles and pics in the latest EVO are absolutely
incredible.
Why don't you post some numbers and/or links Mr. C&D journalist, because I've "heard" conflicting reports. There are two dealers by home in the suburbs of Chicago and they're at least five or six 645s on their lots, each, and they've been sitting their for a while now. Look at all the 645s on ebay selling at sticker price (where's the mark up that indicates excessive demand?). I remember when the 2003 E55 came out and you couldn't find one anywhere, and the few that were out there (in the paper, on ebay, or occassionally at a dealer), you had to pay a 10-15K mark-up!! And then when the 2004s came out with the GPS, it was the same way all over again. No such thing with the new 645Cis. A week after they came out they were all over the internet; two Neiman Marcus editions were selling on ebay-- cheap too, if you ask me.
When I was at the dealer a few weeks ago getting my iginition coils replaced, there was one in the showroom. I sat in it and a sales associate came over asked what I thought: I told him outright that the exterior design is bearable but the interior was TOO sporty and not luxurious enough for my taste (it had the burgundy leather with titanium trim--what? In a $77,000 BMW?!?!). He told me BMW was aiming for a more sporting, driver's car. I told him they could keep it. I want a car than handles well AND looks distinguished, not racy. I'd much rather get a CLK55 or better yet, a CL500, since I think it's a more fair comparison; both full size coupes. Sure the CL is costlier, but at least I know I'll get a beautiful looking interior, with generously wood-trimmed dash and doors and leather-stitched console, and not some dinky, not to mention, drab looking interior with crappy door sills and a funky dash (ooh, optional wood). Damn, these new interiors, suck! [???1]
I can only pray that BMW will come to its senses shortly and re-hire Henrik Fisker (now Aston Martin's design director), perhaps one of the greatest automotive visionaries ever, long-time BMW designer, and predecessor to that Fiat reject, Chris Bangle.
When I was at the dealer a few weeks ago getting my iginition coils replaced, there was one in the showroom. I sat in it and a sales associate came over asked what I thought: I told him outright that the exterior design is bearable but the interior was TOO sporty and not luxurious enough for my taste (it had the burgundy leather with titanium trim--what? In a $77,000 BMW?!?!). He told me BMW was aiming for a more sporting, driver's car. I told him they could keep it. I want a car than handles well AND looks distinguished, not racy. I'd much rather get a CLK55 or better yet, a CL500, since I think it's a more fair comparison; both full size coupes. Sure the CL is costlier, but at least I know I'll get a beautiful looking interior, with generously wood-trimmed dash and doors and leather-stitched console, and not some dinky, not to mention, drab looking interior with crappy door sills and a funky dash (ooh, optional wood). Damn, these new interiors, suck! [???1]
I can only pray that BMW will come to its senses shortly and re-hire Henrik Fisker (now Aston Martin's design director), perhaps one of the greatest automotive visionaries ever, long-time BMW designer, and predecessor to that Fiat reject, Chris Bangle.
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I couldn't disagree more.
Fair enough, Mr. E makes an obvious point on the cars they chose to compare. Sure, you can aruge that they should have used different ones...but there is no M version yet for the 6er. So that's what they got. That's what they used. Given those three cars, that's what those writers thought. Big deal. It's not like the magazine hid what cars they were comparing.
When an M version comes out...you can say that write up somehow no longer applies.
But you have to admit the write-up has some solid analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the different products.
I don't understand the trash talking of C&D. I visit their site and read thier articles all the time. They seem pretty professional to me. Like MT, they actually test the products...they're not just a database for press releases. If anything, one could argue that C&D is biased towards BMW, cuz for years they never let a BMW loose and people suspected C&D was on the BMW payroll.
Now BMW falls...mostly because of wierd wacky wrong design. It should be a wake up call to BMW...not a time to shoot the messenger.
Fair enough, Mr. E makes an obvious point on the cars they chose to compare. Sure, you can aruge that they should have used different ones...but there is no M version yet for the 6er. So that's what they got. That's what they used. Given those three cars, that's what those writers thought. Big deal. It's not like the magazine hid what cars they were comparing.
When an M version comes out...you can say that write up somehow no longer applies.
But you have to admit the write-up has some solid analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the different products.
I don't understand the trash talking of C&D. I visit their site and read thier articles all the time. They seem pretty professional to me. Like MT, they actually test the products...they're not just a database for press releases. If anything, one could argue that C&D is biased towards BMW, cuz for years they never let a BMW loose and people suspected C&D was on the BMW payroll.
Now BMW falls...mostly because of wierd wacky wrong design. It should be a wake up call to BMW...not a time to shoot the messenger.
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I agree. Car and Driver has always seemed fair and professional in it's reporting. They let you know their biases and tendencies up front and they call them as they see em. Domestic fans are up in arms all the time cuz they never get good ratings. I've had the unfortunate experience of being in many of those domestic cars (cuz friends and family insist on buying them) and yeah, they reall are crap in quality compared to the imports. If anything, Motor Trend gets some odd numbers, but performance numbers can be affected by so many things that you shouldn't swear by them anyways. After all, if it were you racing, you prolly couldn't even approach those numbers unless you had some extensive racing experience (which most owners don't).
So true, the only bad thing about c/d is that they always do these dumbass tests based on price. Nobody cares about price when they're reading it in a magazine, we want the same class. They did a test with the G35 sedan, the 325i, and a few other cars a few months ago and I remember that the 325i came in 2nd behind the G35 even though it's engine was the smallest. The only reason that the G35 beat it was because of performance, and it's so unfair when you're running a 3.5L vs. a 2.5. A 330i would've mopped the floor with the G35, even though it's engine is still smaller.
I hate C&D because they have their hands in everybody's back pockets. Their TV show is fun to watch and I'm not saying the magazine is unprofessional or crappy or anything. I just think that too often, they are paid to put a certain company on top or give it a good review, or something along those lines. C&D is like the Budweiser of car magazines....it sells like crazy and it gets the job done, but if you're looking for a real quality magazine, look elsewhere.