BMW 330i no longer #1

[coyotefreek]

According to Consumer Reports, the new redesigned Acura TL is the best sedan at a bargin price. They say that the Acura TL matches the BMW almost exactly in every category. They say the Interior is top notch and of higher quality than the BMW. They also note Acura's excellent reliability vs. BMW has only good reliability. When comp equipped the Acura comes to $33,150 vs. $40,570 for the Beemer.

They do admit however that "the front-wheel-drive TL didn’t quite match the BMW 330i in at-the-limit handling performance. In other words the BMW still has the edge in performance but barely just.

Having sat in the Acura TL I must concur that the interior is very pleasing and top notch. I especially love Acura's available bluetooth phone control, allowing you to control any bluetooth enabled phone through convent steering wheel controls and hands free mic. I have not driven it so I cant give my experience there.

Now many of you may be saying, impossible, bull s***, etcetera, I am simply reporting to you what Consumer Reports said. The leading champ for the last 3 years, according to Consumer Reports, has now been beet. Hopefuly the new 3 will bring BMW back to the top notch.

 

[MrElussive]

I'm not surprised. It's pretty damn easy to beat BMW in value. BMW has and always will charge a premium for their cars (certainly worth the premium, though), and the Acura TL is just an amazing value compared to the BMW.
The TL is loaded with technology, and the BlueTooth phone feature is nice, but I think it's pretty limited. I believe there are only like 5 or 6 cell phone models that the car supports and you have kind of a tight limit for the car's address book...they could have given it just some more memory so you could store a decent amount of names in there.
Overall, I think the Acura TL is absolutely amazing and a superb value, but after having the Jetta for a year, I completely refuse to own another FWD car. And if it was between the Acura TL and a BMW 330i, I would get the BMW 330i for various reasons (better handling, more solid feel to it, etc.).

 

[codex57]

It's Consumer Reports. They don't care about BMWs best feature, driving experience. As for value, yep, I'd agree that the TL wins there. The BMW can't win in every possible category.

 

[bahnstormer]

um didn't the new TL just come out? how can they say its reliability is excellent? that's just
retarded. oh well good thing i don't pay for that pos review.

really annoys me things like this...thanks 'yote for posting this at least now i know what to add to my ban list (motor trend, car and driver, consumer reports)

 

[PhatBimmer]

um didn't the new TL just come out? how can they say its reliability is excellent? that's just
retarded. oh well good thing i don't pay for that pos review.

really annoys me things like this...thanks 'yote for posting this at least now i know what to add to my ban list (motor trend, car and driver, consumer reports)

I was just reading Car and Driver Decembers edition or w/e it was and they seem to like to poke fun at BMW's or hate em' or w/e u wish to call it but they say somethings the best and then out of nowhere somewhere in another part of the section they named the other best car they love so make up your minds (I take into mind there are dif. writers) pfff.!!!

 

[frolf]

they are just sour because bmw has been top dog for so long. they love seeing it lose. thats why they (R&T) favored the new E class over the M5 big time, even though its not that much better, and plus the new E has a slush box.

Also R&T favored the S4 big time over the M3, even though the M3 was only 5k more and totally smoked the S4 in both subjective ratings and performance numbers.

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

Not to mention if you wish to look up service bulletins on Honda/Acura the website has a note on it stating to write to Honda motor corp because they have requested Honda/Acrua maintenance records be barred from public viewing.... "The American Honda Motor Company, Inc. has requested ALLDATA restrict access to Acura and Honda repair information by individual consumers." I wonder why? Also lets not forget Japanese material always has been cheaper than German.

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/01/03013542.html (look for the popup)


Also: In service bulletin counts Acura sure has beaten BMW
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/01/03013032.html (03 Acura TL service bulletins) I count 11+


http://www.alldata.com/TSB/06/0306A644.html (03 330i service bulletins) I count 1

I think it speaks for itself...

 

[PhatBimmer]

Its the hate! lol they haters!

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

Phatbimmer I love your signature

 

[donmbmw]

No doubt about it. The TL is a great car and an incredible value. But consumer reports is hardly a magazine for auto enthusiasts. I mean they test toothpaste for chrissake
The 330i puts it all together better than anyone. Great styling, strong linear power, nimble handling, and the beat goes on [bmwkick] [target] [driving2]

 

[R3LzX]

err... Its a Honda.. who cares if it beats the BMW in some comparison

 

[epj3]

No doubt about it. The TL is a great car and an incredible value. But consumer reports is hardly a magazine for auto enthusiasts. I mean they test toothpaste for chrissake
The 330i puts it all together better than anyone. Great styling, strong linear power, nimble handling, and the beat goes on [bmwkick] [target] [driving2]

Saying it's a bad review becuase they test toothpaste is a dumb thing to say. Bosch -- who's made bmw's engine management systems for years -- also makes vacuume cleaners, stoves/ovens, clothes washers, etc.

BUT, the flaw with consumer reports is they are supported by advertising and I see it every day I work (staples.)

People come in, saying that maybe a Lexmark got best reviews -- which I know is bullcrap becuase the printers break all the time. People bring in consumer report printouts, saying "here, see this canon got the best review" so then we flip back a few pages, and theres a nice 2 page canon advertisement. Doh!!

 

[donmbmw]

Saying it's a bad review becuase they test toothpaste is a dumb thing to say. Bosch -- who's made bmw's engine management systems for years -- also makes vacuume cleaners, stoves/ovens, clothes washers, etc.

BUT, the flaw with consumer reports is they are supported by advertising and I see it every day I work (staples.)

People come in, saying that maybe a Lexmark got best reviews -- which I know is bullcrap becuase the printers break all the time. People bring in consumer report printouts, saying "here, see this canon got the best review" so then we flip back a few pages, and theres a nice 2 page canon advertisement. Doh!!

Hey genius, before you start calling other peoples comments "dumb" maybe you should know what the hell your talking about. Consumer Reports does NOT take advertising nor does it take free samples. I don't know what "Consumer" magazine you think your looking at but if you could read you would see it is not "Consumer Reports" Flame away, I've said my piece

 

[coyotefreek]

Saying it's a bad review becuase they test toothpaste is a dumb thing to say. Bosch -- who's made bmw's engine management systems for years -- also makes vacuume cleaners, stoves/ovens, clothes washers, etc.

BUT, the flaw with consumer reports is they are supported by advertising and I see it every day I work (staples.)

People come in, saying that maybe a Lexmark got best reviews -- which I know is bullcrap becuase the printers break all the time. People bring in consumer report printouts, saying "here, see this canon got the best review" so then we flip back a few pages, and theres a nice 2 page canon advertisement. Doh!!

Just as donmbmw said, Consumer Reports takes absolutly no money from companys. They have absolutly no advertisments. If you say they favor one company over another your wrong.

As for the BMW, they didnt say the acura is better because it is a better value, they said it performs just as well and its cheeper. Im not going to defend the Acura because I am on a BMW board so I dont want to make any enimies. As for reliability, they are looking back to previous TL's not the new one. But it usualy holds true that it only gets better not worse. If anyone here disagrees with the reliability and thinks Acura is bad then you need to do some research. Acura has excelent reliabity, BMW is poor, many things break. If you own a BMW and dont want to admit it then fine, but most anyone will agree that it is poor reliability. Though most also say that it is worth it to be driving a BMW.

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

BMW has poor reliability since when? and did anyone pay attention to my SERVICE BULLETINS LINK

If i remember correctly Acura TL has 11 and Bmw has uh ONE


And dont even get me started on your grammar, besides cheaper has only 2 e's not 3

 

[coyotefreek]

I saw that link but that doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t say anything about them. Acura posts a service bulletin when several cars have a problem so many service bulletins are there. BMW probably only does it for when thousands have problems. Those service bulletins aren’t recalls, just instant solutions if someone comes in with a problem. It says nothing about how many cars have those problems.

And if you are denying that BMW has reliability problems then I am in doubt that you own a BMW. Can you actually tell me that you never brought your car into the dealer for any problem. Everyone I know with BMW's or Mercedes have all had problems, while none major, something that still requires service.

Also don’t insult my grammar or spelling. I suck at spelling and typically try to proof read my posts always to aid the readers.

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

Why is Honda restricting public access to these bulletins then? And I never knew a 16 year old became the new spokesperson for service bulletin issuance by Acura and BMW

 

[coyotefreek]

Hey just because I'm young doesn’t mean I don’t know what I'm talking about. And the fact you looked into my profile to find out how old I am must mean that something I said intrigued you.

 

[Bmw 325i 7803]

You didn't answer the question, however I am glad that you've spent 2 minutes editing your post

Oh and it's news to me that something you said has got me secretly plotting. Wrong word perhaps?

 

[coyotefreek]

Sorry I had forgot to proof read my post so I had edited my corrections, I figured you would complain if I made another mistake. Apparently I ran that risk either way.

And no I didnt say the wrong word, I intrigued you because I got you interested in what I said. Normaly you wouldent do that with a normal post so I must have said something or things that made you wonder exactly who is coyotefreek.

As to your question, Honda isnt alone, several companys have there info blocked. But probably the main reason is because Honda dosent want to releace those items and let consumers fix those problems on their own. They want people to go to the dealars. You may say then that is a negative, but think of it another way, if BMW had released all their stuff it wouldent have been much help because there was nothing there. There are many reasons why the wouldent want the public to know everything, you dont want the public to worry about something on their car when it is highly unlikely it would happen to them. Thats like Ford going out and saying a list of things that could go wrong with their cars even though they probably wont, why cause people the trouble.