Bangle's latest comments on "Flame Surfacing"

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IF BMW's 3 Series range looks less radical than the rest of its line-up, then the styling revolution that began with the 7 Series six years ago has worked, according to company chief designer Chris Bangle.

Pictures of the 3 Series Convertible released last week confirm that all variants of BMW's mainstay have a much less challenging look than the 7 Series, 5 Series or Z4, the controversial models which spearheaded the change.

The most radical thing about the Convertible is its folding metal roof — a first for the luxury brand.

But Bangle, who was in Sydney for the opening of the Australian Motor Show, said the 3 would be shocking without the precedent of the other models. Rather than an about-turn, it reflected a "tuning" of the ideas.

The Convertible will debut at January's Detroit Motor Show and be in Australian showrooms by April, with a model range that mirrors the recently released 3 Series Coupe and prices starting around $95,000.

Despite a storm of criticism and even a hate website, Bangle said he would do none of the designs differently but would use different language to describe them.

"The biggest mistake we ever made was coming up with a word for this and calling it 'flame'," he said, referring to his signature technique which exploits convex and concave surfaces.

The BMW designs stood out, he said, because the "context of change was so flat".


"There was a vehement reaction to the unexpected. People never said per se this is right or wrong." Bangle believes that the rest of the industry has followed where BMW led, but the company is still on a mission.

"We have to stay in front but we also have to reinforce this continuously so that every customer can be part of the movement."

However, when it comes to the ergonomically challenged interiors, even Bangle admits using the cupholder of his 7 Series to store his phone. "We can get better (at interiors)," he said.
 
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Kirby said:
....BMW rapes the Aussies as well.
[Red mist rising]

what a load of old tripe...

BMW do not 'Rape' anyone... but they do offer a premium product at a premium price...

You, or anyone for that matter, have the free will to either pay the price asked by BMW, or pay another Brand (Audi/Mercedes) the same kind of money for a lesser product (IMHO) or instead you could just keep your money and drive a Ford

The world is full of premium products... because people are willing to pay for them.

Have you got a problem with capitalism...



[Red mist passing]


5, 4, 3, 2, 1... and relax


Oh hello, how did I get here [:)]
 
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My comment, while using the slang term rape to mean "reaping extra profits", is correct.

If you like, I'll rephrase it as ".... and BMW practices international price discimination that offends the Australian consumer, therefore the price from the Aussie article is much higher than the US price."

This is well known and documented, and BMW admits it. People in the higher priced markets consider it unfair, since they pay alot more for the SAME product. The level of "premium" is exactly the same, but they pay more.

From an old thread:
Car: BMW 530i Silver Grey Metallic, Black Leather, NO other options
Prices:
USA: $49,645
CAN: $67,800
AUS: $112,500

At current rates, that's $86,000 US. Call price rape, discriminatory pricing, whatever, I don't care - it's a fact. Clearly, the "premium" is being paid for the sales location, not the product.

Check out this thread: http://www.hotbimmer.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21583, BMW tells the consumer point blank "That's the way it is."

Thank you for contacting BMW Group Canada Inc.

In response to your email, regarding the difference in pricing for Canadian BMW vehicles versus the United States, we would like to confirm that Canadian prices are based on the market conditions in Canada. Presently, due to a rapidly strengthening Canadian dollar, pricing may appear higher than the U.S., yet are still considerably lower than most other markets around the world.

We are very cognizant of the U.S. pricing; however, we have to price for the long term in Canada. If we were to reduce prices on all new BMWs, it would reduce the value of every existing BMW in the country. We have a responsibility to protect our existing owners' investment and BMW resale values in Canada.

Raising and lowering prices based on short term exchange rate swings would cause great uncertainty and instability in the market. As you can appreciate, the competitive marketplace is different, and the costs of doing business in Canada are much higher.


Sincerely,
Customer Care


No I don't have anything against capitalism. I work for a company that sells a premium engineering service at a premium price, and we're very happy doing it with plenty of customers. But our international rates are the same, only adjusted for exchange rate.
 
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But Kirby, if you are the head of a company, if have a market where you can charge more for the same product, is it really such a bad thing? I mean, price discrimination is (or at least was) forbidden by our wonderful government for local markets, but internationally it is still allowed. If you have a market which is willing to pay, why chastize the company for meeting the demands of a market in the most profitable manner? If one were to put on a 'stockholder hat,' one would think one would want / demand that a company price discriminates (in the countries where it is legal).

DISCLAIMER: Maybe I read you post wrong; maybe you are supporting the practice. I got the impression you were condemning it though.

Sean
 
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I think everybody is interpreting it wrong, I have no problem with the practice.

The point I was trying to make is that the people in Australia, Canada, etc. DO have a problem with it, as more than once they have posted complaints on this board, and that it has nothing to do with higher price=higher quality.
 


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