8 speed ZF "slush box" coming to BMW

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BMW will soon be offering a new eight-speed automatic transmission, which is expected to debut in its next-generation 7-series saloon. According to consultancy firm CSM Worldwide, Europe’s ZF is developing the new transmission for a market launch by as early as 2009. In an interview with reporters from Automotive News, powertrain analyst Chris Guile stated “ZF has made quite a few modifications to its six-speed transmission to improve fuel economy and reduce manufacturing costs,” in the run-up to the new eight-speed gearbox. The transmission almost certainly will go into upcoming BMW models, he added.

ZF debuted the world’s first six-speed auto in 2001 also in a 7-series sedan, and then Mercedes-Benz went one-better with its own seven-speed gearbox by late 2003. Recently, Lexus has been bragging about the first eight-speed gearbox to be fitted in its flagship LS460 sedan and sourced from Japanese supplier Aisin. Never one to back down from a fight, BMW spokesman Wieland Bruch said “when it comes to the number of speeds, we will not be left behind by the competition.”

The extra cogs have the added benefit of improved fuel economy because the gearbox can better match engine speeds with the right gear since there’s more to choose from. ZF’s six-speed range has also received upgrades to compete with the onslaught of dual clutch systems that are appearing on the market. Both fuel consumption and shift quality between the two technologies are comparable, but standard autos suffer the prejudices of poor fuel consumption and slow shift-speeds.

Using BMW’s own vehicle test data, ZF has found that its new transmissions achieve a fuel economy benefit of 3% for gasoline engines and 6% for diesel engines over its current six-speed auto. Both the first and second generation gearboxes will be built at ZF’s Saarbrucken plant in Germany with half of these earmarked for use in BMW vehicles.
 
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Aw, C'mon Kirby...you know the auto trannies in BMW, are far, far from being a slush box. Automatic transmissions are "superior" to manual in many ways. Look at the new 911 turbo, not only is the auto transmission faster than the manual, but mpg is better.

Those who feel autos are slush boxes, just really like driving a manual trannie, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. BMW will not have a slush box, wheter it's a 6, 7 or 8 speed automatic [drinking]
 
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Adam, I don't think the term "slushbox" is supposed to be negative in any way....just that auto trannies use hydraulic fluid to turn the gear in a liquidy/slushy way.

I like seeing these new 6-, 7-, and 8-speed automatic transmissions and they seem to be very helpful but I hope they don't cause too much "gear-hunting" in real world driving.
 

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CosmosBlack said:
Here's additional read on the same topic: LINK

And Yes, I agree, BMW automatic transmissions are superior to its competitors', definitely.
Yes they are superior now because they stopped buying them from GM, although they were a reliable box back then.
 
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To me, as Emile said, "slush box" isn't a negative term. It's just like calling a manual transmission a "gear box".
Ok, ok I was wrong. But, you gotta admit, that "gear box" sounds a helluva lot better than "slush box" (and I know how the majority on our board is so anti-Steptronic) [:)]
 
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Anyone know the actual size of the 8 speed transmition?
Must be a hell of alot bigger to house the extra clutch packs (if thats what is has.)
 
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Adam, I don't think the term "slushbox" is supposed to be negative in any way....just that auto trannies use hydraulic fluid to turn the gear in a liquidy/slushy way.

I like seeing these new 6-, 7-, and 8-speed automatic transmissions and they seem to be very helpful but I hope they don't cause too much "gear-hunting" in real world driving.

I drove a C280 with the new 7 speed, they're actually pretty good, in sport mode, it even holds the gear for you, very smooth shifts, enjoyed the crap out of it.
 
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slushbox > slip tronic?

8 speed!!!! as long as the system doesn't hunt and is fast, you get no complaint from me.
but man, manual downshiting would be a pain to go from the 8th gear to say 2nd or 3rd. [rofl]

heh, sorry to chime in like 2 months after the fact.. haha
 


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